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this radiates for the masses headliner

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through person ops been applying this

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touch confound and is now in the

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possession of the RA would change the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and a GRA

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I need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to ain't you glad

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with jimmy touch only game changing

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well well well good evening

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fade to black see em in the spoke radio

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for the masses yeah I love it when I

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release that breath

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today's Tuesday September 26 269 days

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just 96 days left we are live from a

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bunker somewhere in downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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GRA the planets I'm your host Jimmy

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Church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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excited got a special event tonight at

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least for me in that tonight you don't

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get to hear me talk how cool is that

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tonight we have very special guest Phil

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Proctor's here a fire sign theater it's

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got a new book out where's my fortune

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cookie and the links for that are up in

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here in Twitter and all of social media

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here in a few minutes so go and check

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that out we're gonna be talking about

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that tonight the life and times of Phil

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tomorrow night Maureen saint-germain is

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5d she's one of our favorite guests and

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her new book is how to as well Thursday

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night is another fader night open lines

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all night long with Jon Rappoport

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he'll be here with there's no more fake

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know what's gonna go on here we've got a

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gonna do tonight in a couple of minutes

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instead of going through my normal

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twenty minute rant I'm just gonna bring

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on Phil Proctor so we're gonna bring him

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early he is live with us in Washington

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two short minutes but before I get to

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that a couple of things

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ot D on this day in history in 1996

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Shannon lucid returns to Earth following

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six months in orbit aboard the Russian

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space station mirror she was the first

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American woman to live in a space

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station but what was remarkable about

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her being the first woman in space her

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first radio transmission back to earth

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was and I'm quoting here Wow the earth

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isn't flat this baby is round like a

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basketball this is so cool we're

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orbiting around the globe end quote

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there you go flat earthers I'm just

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saying that's you know at least that's

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allegedly what she said fader fact check

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this out in 2012 Google bought Motorola

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for twelve point five billion dollars

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one of the great business decisions in

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history yeah it was but they sold it two

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years later to Lenovo for 2.9 billion

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dollars and why am i laughing they

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should have waited two years and you

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know Lenovo made the best business

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decision in history all right tonight

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very special guest Phil Proctor is here

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fire sign theater he's got a new book

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out where's my fortune cookie and I'm

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gonna go straight to Phil right now I'm

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giving up my platform tonight you know

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and I'm a little giddy about it Phil

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started at the age of nine as a child

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actor in New York on live TV in uncle

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Danny reads the funny since then his 68

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include now check this out Last Man

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sign theater for man group listed as one

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of the thirty greatest acts of all time

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by Entertainment Weekly now he's

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not TV now they're over dub Republic

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cliffhanger cult hit J men forever now

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and David Osmond predicted reality TV

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they predicted hackers computer viruses

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virtual reality the fall of the Soviet

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Union 9/11 and in much much more now

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this Thursday September 28th he and Dave

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Osmond will be appearing in a command

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performance of the fire sign theater or

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what's left of it on the Coolidge stage

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DC which by the way sold out in three

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tonight we're gonna be discussing the

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fire sign theater his new book where's

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my fortune cookie

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my psychic sir realistic story

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co-authored with Brad Schreiber and I

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would like to welcome for the first time

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to fade to black the one and only Phil

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you know how could anybody live a life

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you know I'm already intimidated but but

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let me do this let me do this first Phil

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as a first-time guest you get the

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first-time guests disclaimer which is

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this it's just you and I sitting on my

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couch having a conversation as friends

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where it starts it starts where it ends

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it ends but we're gonna end as friends

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there are you guys that sounds fine as

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long as there's a beer between us you

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you have fielded every single ridiculous

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question that could be done in an

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interview and I get that but but allow

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me the honor of lobbing a couple of

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softballs that you've probably answered

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a million times but I have to that all

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first one is this the four of you did

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you honestly going back to the 60s have

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a clue on what you would be doing and

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influencing so many generations to come

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did you guys have any idea or was it

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just a thing that you were doing you

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who started the whole thing

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radio back in the mid-60s I think he had

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a vision of this because first of all

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when we discovered the first night that

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we met on the show that we were

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literally all fire signs I'm a Leo

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Phil and Peter resurgent Ariens no David

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and filler Sagittarius and and they Phil

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when we discovered that we're all well

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and I'm a Leo but we discovered that we

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went kind of something magical is going

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to happen here and then when we

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discovered that we could improvise

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together like a like seasoned jazz

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musicians and riff off of one another

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that was another clue but Peter was the

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one who actually thought of us as being

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the potential Beatles of comedy which is

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what the Library of Congress has now

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called us and you know I I was skeptical

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at the time because I had another career

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going at an acting career going in

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television and some films and stuff and

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yet I was drawn into this vortex of

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comic improvisation just like the other

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members were we all knew that we were in

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a unique situation where we could be our

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own masters of the creation of a kind of

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- comedy that was based on the the art

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of put on of send-up of parody because

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Bergman had established himself as as

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the spokesman of the new generation on

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that where he would like your doing and

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the tradition has continued he would

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talk to people who are abducted by

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flying saucers he talked to two gurus he

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kinds of people on the fringe of society

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who were actually pioneering new ways of

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looking at things and thinking of things

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and he accepted the fact that we the

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three gestures that joined him we could

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be comic characters to his straight man

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because he'd established himself as

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being this kind of all-knowing comm host

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and so we could come in and pretend to

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be Ernie the Wonder healer pulling

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chicken feet out of people's stomachs to

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cure them of cancer or we we actually

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found our power and we did a thing

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called the Oz Film Festival with him

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where we all played a variety of movie

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makers and we showed our movies on the

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radio and at one point Phil Austin who

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was playing a character named Jack Love

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who is a pioneer of adult film right

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wanted to show his movie

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blondie pays the rent on the radio and

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he started to do it well holla blondie

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come down on the river Donovan and Peter

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said no no stop stop stop stop no we

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can't show a dirty movie on the radio

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we'll lose our license and the phone

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lines lit up and people said how dare

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you censor this artist from showing his

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work on the radio that's when we knew

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that something was happening and right

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yeah and the the other part okay now

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this is where for me I remember and I

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know you've heard this too many times

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but if somebody somebody handed me you

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know one of the fire sign albums and and

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I took it home and I listened to it I

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went this is written for me

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this is exactly what I need and what I

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want right but you guys were writing for

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yourselves and that's the magic right if

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everybody else enjoys it

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then then you've hit the home run well

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you know Jimmy we were just just like

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you have a loyal audience that knows

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what to expect and wants to hear your

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approach to fascinating and challenging

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and mysterious ideas that was the kind

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of audience that we knew would support

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us we didn't we obviously did not

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foresee that the the extent of that

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audience but just like you discovered

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Firestein theater we were we were

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preaching to an audience or reaching an

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audience I didn't say that was starved

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for more arcane complicated or

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intellectual comedy okay and certainly

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nobody had done multiform multi-leveled

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comedy like we did we pioneered the idea

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of story albums if you will that were

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really a kind of an outgrowth of of

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radio and how we loved radio and how we

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shared that in common at this particular

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time in our life and we wanted to carry

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the idea of radio and comic radio to a

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new level and we were given all the

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tools to do that and managed to do it

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for a very long time as the platform

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changed and evolved so we were like kids

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in a sandbox there's just no doubt about

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it and we and the more people like

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yourself that turned on to the fireside

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theater the more the company Columbia

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Records began to realize that there was

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actually an audience out there for this

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unique kind this new brand of of comedy

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and that was one of the things that

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allowed us to continue to evolve now I

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can't I can't move on without talking

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about the 60s psychedelics drugs and

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everything yeah because the audience

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your audience was probably largely high

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you probably sold a lot of pot in this

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country yeah I think so I we one of the

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reasons beautiful

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on his show he used to the kind of music

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he would play like he put on a reggae

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reggae record and you know a reggae cut

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what it would be like Oh 10-15 minutes

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so we can go out and get high we could

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just walk out of the studio go take a

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few puffs you know a breeze of the fresh

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air look at the Stars and then come back

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in as the record ended and jump back

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into what we were doing all right so yes

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there was there was a kind of a

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collaboration with the drug culture at

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the time we were definitely you know in

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in tune with the audience but we were

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also making people high because of the

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the crazy ideas that we were espousing

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and the surrealistic way that we

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approach things so they were hearing

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things that they didn't hear anywhere

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else you know when we evolved it into

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our records we actually were creating a

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form of deprogramming

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because we parodied all of the

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commercials Roy on radio you know the

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the sound of news and television shows

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and things in such a way that it sucked

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people in all yes we're just listening

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to something that we hear every day but

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then we take it we do a subversive twist

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to it which would make people then

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listen to real radio and real television

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from a different perspective do you

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follow what I'm saying I do and

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liberating well I I think that the

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audience because they must have thought

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like me largely in that we all wondered

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if you guys were getting high while

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writing and doing this or you know

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because you listen to you know rocky

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work or whatever the character is you're

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like you know I relate to yes yes yes

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yes and so I think that was always the

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question that was was out there in pop

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culture what were you guys straight and

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and that was you know that would be a

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wonderful thing to that you would be

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able to pull that off or were you one of

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us and you were doing this for us in

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that state of mind it's a combination

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but but basically we you you could not

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have been stoned

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or you know heads and and do the hard

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work that goes into writing and creating

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a format you know there it's writing is

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hard work whether what you say and when

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you get a group of people who are

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writing together it may becomes even

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more challenging so we what if we did

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use any drugs or brandy I remember we

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used to drink el Presidente brandy

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brandy as we sat around our table and

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and occasionally we smoked a little pot

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but other times it was just our putting

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our heads together that made us made us

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high and playing off of one another and

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enjoying the antic spirit and the comic

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ideas of each of the other three guys

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that we were working with so that you

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know listen it's really fun to be in the

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presence of intelligent funny people

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right right or even Mandela Junt funny

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sexy people you know people are

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musicians and and all that it's it's

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it's a high it makes you high and by

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that it means it elevates your

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consciousness that's right and you

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become music more than you just are

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normally you see and and it gives you a

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perspective that is that is alien in a

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way you look at things differently

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because you're seeing things through

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other antic Minds you see this is why

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people get together this is why people

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fall in love this is what keeps the

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world going you know if you find the

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proper soul mate and the proper partner

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and we're always looking for that

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because it makes us greater than we are

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by ourselves and that was the the the

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force and it it doesn't matter how is

446
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it's not like you have to do something

447
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drink something take something smoke

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something to get there but those things

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can help you relax enough that it opens

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you to the opportunity to appreciate and

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participate in that kind of interaction

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because basically as much as we'd love

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to you know as we'd love to believe in

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aliens and I'm going to talk about some

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of that later yes I have some very

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bizarre stories about that at the same

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time we're here we're

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this plane you know this this

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dimensional reality and we have to make

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the best of it in the short span that we

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have to to live in this planet and to

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make some kind of an impact on our own

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on the world around us and to spread

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some kind of love and understanding in

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in humanity with the people that we come

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across to make some kind of lasting

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impression so all of that is why we are

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you and my I'm you and I because you

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were into music and everything why we're

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artists right why we're artists and why

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we want to share that with an audience

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that may not always have the opportunity

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to express themselves in the same way

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that we've been able to we've been

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blessed too but who can through our work

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liberate themselves and grow creatively

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and maybe even be inspired to express

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themselves in more artistic and daring

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ways in their fulfillment of their life

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path with we're gonna hit a break in in

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about five minutes

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so take your time with this answer but I

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think it's gonna be simple which is the

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clear up some urban legend for us okay

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okay which is my me and my friends would

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sit around and argue about whether you

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guys were reading from a script or you

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guys were improvising and this this went

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on forever and it was never answered so

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were you guys writing this stuff out

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laborious ly and reading from a script

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or was it improv well the thing is Jimmy

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are you talking about our radio shows or

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our records the records okay

495
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the records came out of our

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improvisational chops on our radio shows

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and that was a combination of written

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material and improvisation based on the

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written material some of the material

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written by the four of us some by two

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some by three some by one and then the

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other guys riffing off of it now we

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would laborious ly work on an idea for

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for a record okay because somebody would

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come up with an idea and it would

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inspire each one of us to write

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separately and we'd bring that stuff to

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the table I often thought of it as being

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like a witch's cauldron where we throw

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in the item Newt you know and the toe of

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Pete and the brain of Phil and mix it

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all together and and at the end of the

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day we would have pages with a scene on

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it or you know the development of

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characters and sometimes we'd reach

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these points where we we just could not

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agree because there's four guys that

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could be three against one two against

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one

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four different ideas it was laborious

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and we sometimes reach a point where we

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just could not agree where to go next

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with something so we'd compromise we

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Sara will bring it into the studio and

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I'll tell you about our studio

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techniques because that was a gift that

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we were given also we had the

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opportunity to actually write material

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go and lay it down cut they listen to it

530
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come back write some more but when we

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went into the studio those pages would

532
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sometimes be thrown away and what you

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hear in the record would be an

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improvisation based on the material that

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we came in with the once we began to

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bring it to life and those characters

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began to interact they would go in a

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different direction so it resistant

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ation right like musicians like a band

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exactly like musicians really and the

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sound effects which yeah because

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obviously you guys are painting right

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you're painting this guy sure so who was

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in control and by the way was there was

545
00:25:11,530 --> 00:25:09,770
there somebody that had the last word

546
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:11,540
and what would happen there did you guys

547
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:14,450
throw stuff at each other well if you're

548
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:16,490
talking about then the production in a

549
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:18,890
way that's okay I was known as Darth

550
00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:21,650
Foley because I used to add the live

551
00:25:29,170 --> 00:25:24,710
elements to a scene if I felt they were

552
00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:29,180
necessary for the organic creation of

553
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:31,190
that particular moment to make it real

554
00:25:35,980 --> 00:25:33,410
for us right but most of the effects

555
00:25:38,530 --> 00:25:35,990
obviously that we added were added in

556
00:25:41,030 --> 00:25:38,540
post-production okay and we used a lot

557
00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:41,040
of just old sound effects records

558
00:25:45,860 --> 00:25:43,620
and music sometimes we use live music

559
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:45,870
when we were doing our very first album

560
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:48,390
we were actually working with the

561
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:50,580
producer Jimmy Guercio who helped

562
00:25:55,940 --> 00:25:53,370
Chicago reach his fame and he brought an

563
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:55,950
orchestra into the studio there at

564
00:26:02,450 --> 00:25:59,760
Columbia Records and and created live

565
00:26:04,670 --> 00:26:02,460
original music for our little short

566
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:04,680
pieces on waiting for the electrician or

567
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:05,940
someone like him

568
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:08,370
well that was rare but we did you know

569
00:26:12,980 --> 00:26:10,260
we would integrate live music into our

570
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,990
stuff we did this one album called

571
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:15,600
fighting clowns which has which is our

572
00:26:19,910 --> 00:26:17,910
most musical album and had artwork by

573
00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:19,920
the late great Phil Hartman on the cover

574
00:26:25,790 --> 00:26:22,800
that was basically all musically based

575
00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:25,800
and we we had a live band on stage at

576
00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:28,620
the Roxy and recorded live our

577
00:26:34,220 --> 00:26:32,190
characters the eight shoes singing rock

578
00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:34,230
and roll parodies and all other kinds of

579
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:36,360
intricate kind of Kurt Vile Ian music

580
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:38,340
then we go into this studio and skunk

581
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:41,970
Baxter would come in a legendary fuzz

582
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:44,850
bass musician and add tracks and we

583
00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:46,410
could design it same way the sound

584
00:26:51,290 --> 00:26:49,380
effects we would add tracks and build it

585
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:51,300
and when you said is there anybody in

586
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:54,330
charge Phil Austin used to keep a record

587
00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:56,370
of all the tracks so we knew where

588
00:27:00,650 --> 00:26:58,380
everything was and when it came to

589
00:27:02,030 --> 00:27:00,660
actually doing the final mix we could

590
00:27:04,220 --> 00:27:02,040
sit with the tracks in front of us

591
00:27:07,310 --> 00:27:04,230
listening and each one of us would be

592
00:27:10,340 --> 00:27:07,320
responsible for some aspect moving one

593
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,350
character walking from stereo right to

594
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,720
stereo left bringing up the music at

595
00:27:17,180 --> 00:27:14,880
just the right point bringing up a sound

596
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:17,190
effect ducking out a sound effect so we

597
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:19,140
worked in in consortium we worked

598
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:21,690
together in concert to build these

599
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:24,480
things and we again it was a very

600
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:28,320
democratic hippie kind of organization

601
00:27:33,410 --> 00:27:31,290
which was both a blessing and a curse it

602
00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:33,420
was a curse when it came to our business

603
00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:36,360
okay before we we wanted everything to

604
00:27:41,270 --> 00:27:39,870
be equal and and we basically that was

605
00:27:43,220 --> 00:27:41,280
why we would sometimes get hung up

606
00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:43,230
because we weren't worried if we weren't

607
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,390
in harmony we felt that something was

608
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:48,000
was out of sync and we didn't feel that

609
00:27:53,270 --> 00:27:51,030
it was right until we were in harmony

610
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:53,280
with either a vision or what we were

611
00:27:57,390 --> 00:27:54,410
hearing in our heads

612
00:28:00,460 --> 00:27:57,400
and sharing or the writing you dig it

613
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:00,470
yeah and and but in business that ain't

614
00:28:05,980 --> 00:28:02,930
good because we were really unmanageable

615
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:05,990
you know if it we just we couldn't

616
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:09,110
nobody could tell the four of us exactly

617
00:28:15,730 --> 00:28:11,570
what we should do since the four of us

618
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:15,740
together were a an organic unit that was

619
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,050
more than just a bunch of guys together

620
00:28:22,030 --> 00:28:20,240
so the thing that kind of broke the

621
00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:22,040
Beatles apart ultimately that that

622
00:28:27,610 --> 00:28:25,070
rivalry in that economic sharing who

623
00:28:29,770 --> 00:28:27,620
gets more money for side a or side B

624
00:28:32,170 --> 00:28:29,780
that was not an aspect of the way we

625
00:28:34,750 --> 00:28:32,180
work everything was equally shared and

626
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:34,760
that was as I say it was a blessing

627
00:28:39,610 --> 00:28:37,490
creatively but in terms of business and

628
00:28:42,670 --> 00:28:39,620
the progression of our career

629
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:42,680
not so great let's take a break right

630
00:28:46,660 --> 00:28:45,290
here our guest tonight Phil Proctor of

631
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:46,670
fire sign theater he's got a new book

632
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out where's my fortune cookie we're

633
00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:50,990
gonna get to all of that tonight so I

634
00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:53,270
just sit down Kitty's phone the

635
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neighbors wake the kids

636
00:28:58,750 --> 00:28:57,440
it's Phil Proctor this is hey the

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Blackbird you come back to the church

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come back to the church

639
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we'll be right back right after this

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your message stay with us

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iam calm what up this is combats and we

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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709
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he's our guest tonight fire sign theater

710
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:29,680
but he's got a new book out and it is

711
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:32,910
called where's my fortune cookie now

712
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:36,490
it's the second half of the title of

713
00:33:39,270 --> 00:33:36,910
that book

714
00:33:43,260 --> 00:33:39,280
which is what I find interesting my

715
00:33:47,010 --> 00:33:43,270
psychic surrealistic story co-authored

716
00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:47,020
by Brad Schreiber now this is this is

717
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:48,790
where I'm gonna go right now Phil I want

718
00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:50,530
to catch a little bit off guard your

719
00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:53,950
your career it kind of goes without

720
00:33:59,520 --> 00:33:57,310
saying you've probably forgotten more

721
00:34:02,550 --> 00:33:59,530
things that you've done than you

722
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:02,560
remember right I know that has to eat

723
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,440
you got that right it has to be true but

724
00:34:07,740 --> 00:34:06,640
I'm going to I'm gonna whip something

725
00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:07,750
out on you

726
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:13,480
Amazon women on the moon yes okay all

727
00:34:22,740 --> 00:34:20,889
right silly penteli silly pate tell me

728
00:34:25,050 --> 00:34:22,750
about that how did that happen

729
00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:25,060
how did you how did you get the gig and

730
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,030
and it is one of the funniest parts of

731
00:34:32,700 --> 00:34:29,760
the movie and the movies just as

732
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:32,710
outrageous as it gets but when you get

733
00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:36,610
too silly pate and that that idea that

734
00:34:42,570 --> 00:34:38,830
is there it is even more out there than

735
00:34:44,909 --> 00:34:42,580
the film which is is discombobulated and

736
00:34:47,399 --> 00:34:44,919
as hilarious as anything that has been

737
00:34:49,470 --> 00:34:47,409
put together so tell me about it how did

738
00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:49,480
you get the gig in and and how did how

739
00:34:52,110 --> 00:34:50,350
did that happen

740
00:34:55,409 --> 00:34:52,120
okay now and you're absolutely right

741
00:34:58,500 --> 00:34:55,419
about my basic problem is chronology

742
00:35:01,710 --> 00:34:58,510
okay okay I have a terrible sense of

743
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:01,720
direction and my wife can vouch for this

744
00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:04,480
not only in driving I grew up in a small

745
00:35:08,340 --> 00:35:06,760
town in Goshen Indiana I used to ride a

746
00:35:10,590 --> 00:35:08,350
bike in the alleys I knew where

747
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,600
everything was right right then I moved

748
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:12,160
to New York and that was straight lines

749
00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:13,090
and that's fine

750
00:35:18,860 --> 00:35:16,060
but the California la you know the first

751
00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:18,870
time I called to get somebody's a

752
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:21,900
number the the the the operator said

753
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:23,490
what city please

754
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:26,370
I said well Los Angeles she said no

755
00:35:32,330 --> 00:35:29,370
Sherman Oaks and I went oh my god this

756
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:32,340
is not a homogenized city versus a bunch

757
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:35,370
of okay so my mind is like that

758
00:35:42,110 --> 00:35:39,180
now silly this particular movie was part

759
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:42,120
of I think the time when I had starred

760
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:45,570
or was heavily featured in a movie that

761
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:48,090
Neill Israel did called tunnel vision

762
00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:51,930
okay I came off of a my movie career

763
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:53,160
like everything else is kind of

764
00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:55,110
fragmented and I would it would be

765
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:56,940
something that I could throw in in

766
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:58,290
between other things that were happening

767
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:00,780
so Firestein theater was becoming like

768
00:36:08,780 --> 00:36:04,440
this this this river of activity this

769
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:08,790
steady flow of creative creativity but

770
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:10,290
every once in a while there'd be you

771
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:12,690
know a hiccup in it somebody would go

772
00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:15,090
off to do a gig on the radio somewhere

773
00:36:19,070 --> 00:36:17,220
or there'd be some kind of antagonism

774
00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:19,080
between the partners or somebody get

775
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,270
divorced or something and then you go

776
00:36:25,340 --> 00:36:23,280
like what am I gonna do now and at that

777
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:25,350
time I'd find myself doing movie roles

778
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,110
okay and I did this film with Henry

779
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:30,480
Jagan called a safe place which I got to

780
00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:35,010
work with Gwen Wells Tuesday Weld Orson

781
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:37,800
Welles and Jack Nicholson right and that

782
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:40,110
was really fun right and then I did this

783
00:36:43,610 --> 00:36:41,760
film tunnel vision I don't know if it

784
00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:43,620
was it was after I think with Neil

785
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:45,540
Israel where I played the head of this

786
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:48,690
really early cable channel type thing

787
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:51,540
and what the reputation got around that

788
00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:53,910
Proctor was doing movies okay and

789
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:56,430
because the combination of fire sign

790
00:37:01,640 --> 00:36:58,890
theater and the kind of my own

791
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:01,650
reputation is an actor would lead me to

792
00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:04,200
work with other creative people who were

793
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:07,860
trying new ways of filmmaking

794
00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:10,950
you know presenting like that that

795
00:37:14,750 --> 00:37:12,840
Amazon women on the moon a bunch of

796
00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:14,760
funny skits kind of Saturday Night Live

797
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:17,900
early you know Saturday Live skits or

798
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:20,130
sctv skits and things like that and

799
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,530
putting into a movie form and that was

800
00:37:28,010 --> 00:37:24,320
what I would become a part of that

801
00:37:30,380 --> 00:37:28,020
movement of that subculture that was

802
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:30,390
really independent new Hollywood and

803
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:32,370
that was it I was just part of it I did

804
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,700
another

805
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:35,520
wonderful fun movie called lobster man

806
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:37,470
from Mars yeah see that oh yeah of

807
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:37,980
course

808
00:37:43,339 --> 00:37:40,530
okay and I got to work with Tony Curtis

809
00:37:45,260 --> 00:37:43,349
right in that movie Stanley shaft was

810
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:45,270
the director I just worked with him and

811
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:46,770
my wife Melinda Peterson and I

812
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:49,410
participated in a new screenplay that

813
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:51,450
his wife is written so he's still doing

814
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:53,700
this stuff but that was the same kind of

815
00:37:57,620 --> 00:37:55,950
thing people knew of my reputation

816
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,630
they knew that I had you know certain

817
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,760
skills and and I had a good sense of

818
00:38:04,010 --> 00:38:01,440
humor and I and I also understood

819
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:04,020
surrealism so whenever they were trying

820
00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:06,510
something new and wacky they would

821
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:09,150
naturally look for me and they'd find me

822
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:11,010
and that's really the secret you know

823
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:12,690
you probably know this because you were

824
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,240
in the industry it's so much of it they

825
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:17,040
call it networking now but it's kind of

826
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:19,320
like who do you know who did you work

827
00:38:24,260 --> 00:38:21,480
with who did you have fun with who will

828
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:24,270
recommend you to do you know something

829
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:26,700
similar to that in the future and it led

830
00:38:31,579 --> 00:38:28,980
to a kind of a little repertory company

831
00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:31,589
of people who they knew they could have

832
00:38:36,319 --> 00:38:33,750
fun with and would cast in these kinds

833
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,329
of pictures so we learned from it and we

834
00:38:41,059 --> 00:38:38,880
brought our own sensibilities to it as

835
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:41,069
well a lot of which was playing very

836
00:38:48,250 --> 00:38:43,609
straight in very surreal and crazy

837
00:38:50,839 --> 00:38:48,260
circumstances right the yes and the

838
00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:50,849
voiceover industry and I've had you know

839
00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:54,660
Robert clot worthy on and and oh yeah

840
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:55,380
he's the best

841
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:00,240
and and indifferent vo actors and it is

842
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:04,050
one of the most vicious gnarliest parts

843
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:06,089
of Holly and Hollywood's gnarly

844
00:39:13,339 --> 00:39:10,079
Hollywood is gnarly enough but for a

845
00:39:15,380 --> 00:39:13,349
good vo you don't have to have a good

846
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:15,390
voice anybody that thinks I have a good

847
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:17,640
voice thinks that that is the world that

848
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:19,650
they're gonna go and and be successful

849
00:39:25,690 --> 00:39:22,170
in it's not that kind of party they want

850
00:39:30,859 --> 00:39:25,700
actors they want actors first and and

851
00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:30,869
you of did you have any vision that that

852
00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:33,630
would be where your career was gonna go

853
00:39:39,380 --> 00:39:36,470
because you are the perfect guy for vo

854
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:39,390
and it's another very insightful

855
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:42,420
question that you're asking and and

856
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:45,790
really when I first got out of

857
00:39:52,050 --> 00:39:49,359
Yale University where I studied Russian

858
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:52,060
and got to travel to the Soviet Union

859
00:39:56,570 --> 00:39:54,310
with the L Russian chorus singing

860
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,580
Russian songs on street corners

861
00:40:02,400 --> 00:39:58,960
throughout throughout the major cities

862
00:40:04,410 --> 00:40:02,410
in 1959 teaches the detective Johnson

863
00:40:06,210 --> 00:40:04,420
got oh yes a rustic invaluable source

864
00:40:11,580 --> 00:40:06,220
came with me and learn to speak Russian

865
00:40:13,470 --> 00:40:11,590
you know when I came back I got a let's

866
00:40:15,090 --> 00:40:13,480
see when I came back yes when I

867
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:15,100
graduated for me I got a soap opera

868
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:17,290
called edge of night and and I had an

869
00:40:21,540 --> 00:40:19,330
agent and one of the things that knowing

870
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:21,550
that I spoke Russian my agent sent me

871
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:23,650
out for one of these documentary shows

872
00:40:29,070 --> 00:40:26,170
like you know this is now that was then

873
00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:29,080
or you know the the Second World War

874
00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:31,180
an inside look and what have you and I

875
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:33,460
got to do a Russian accent the voice

876
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:36,910
over in the studio in New York and I go

877
00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:39,850
in I spend 15 minutes talking you know

878
00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:42,550
with Russian accent reading lines about

879
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:45,580
Second World War and and then they I

880
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:47,710
signed the contract and it was three

881
00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:50,410
hundred sixty-five dollars and I said to

882
00:40:55,530 --> 00:40:53,320
myself I just spent 15 minutes in a

883
00:40:57,690 --> 00:40:55,540
studio right buddy I had to wait and

884
00:40:58,830 --> 00:40:57,700
drink coffee for 15 minutes and I made

885
00:41:02,220 --> 00:40:58,840
three hundred and sixty-five dollars

886
00:41:06,090 --> 00:41:02,230
plus residuals right okay and this is

887
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:06,100
like 1963 yeah man yeah yeah I want to

888
00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:09,070
do more of that right but but okay but

889
00:41:14,010 --> 00:41:11,830
it wasn't until the fire sign theater

890
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,020
many years later well not that maybe ten

891
00:41:17,790 --> 00:41:16,240
years later that I realized I would hear

892
00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:17,800
it was doing all these voices and things

893
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:21,790
I should exploit it so I went and I got

894
00:41:26,250 --> 00:41:24,010
an agent commercial agent I started

895
00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:26,260
doing radio spots and I started doing

896
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:28,030
television voiceovers and things like it

897
00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:31,690
now at that time as opposed to now it

898
00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:34,660
was not as cutthroat in industry it was

899
00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:37,420
a small group of talented individuals

900
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:39,640
all of whom we kind of all knew one

901
00:41:43,620 --> 00:41:41,650
another right that's why I said Bob clot

902
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:43,630
worthy what a nice guy right I mean we

903
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:45,130
you know we all knew one another we

904
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:48,490
still do and and we were not competing

905
00:41:54,810 --> 00:41:52,810
so much as working together okay and I I

906
00:41:58,650 --> 00:41:54,820
learned something very early about

907
00:41:59,579 --> 00:41:58,660
competition and that is especially when

908
00:42:01,650 --> 00:41:59,589
I was doing on-camera

909
00:42:03,450 --> 00:42:01,660
commercials you go in for an on-camera

910
00:42:05,969 --> 00:42:03,460
commercial and you're being asked to do

911
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,979
some really stupid things they want you

912
00:42:10,349 --> 00:42:07,839
to come dressed as a fisherman why

913
00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:10,359
because the producers can't envision you

914
00:42:13,289 --> 00:42:12,039
looking like a fisherman they want you

915
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:13,299
to come in a bathrobe

916
00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:15,130
well why because they can't think that

917
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,420
you what you would look like in the

918
00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:18,400
bathroom so you had to do all these

919
00:42:23,489 --> 00:42:20,920
embarrassing things and at a certain

920
00:42:24,569 --> 00:42:23,499
point he began to burn out I said at one

921
00:42:25,529 --> 00:42:24,579
point I reached one of these these

922
00:42:27,029 --> 00:42:25,539
points I was man I was getting

923
00:42:29,099 --> 00:42:27,039
commercials but I said I can't do this

924
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,109
anymore I can't this is too humiliating

925
00:42:34,109 --> 00:42:31,839
and so I looked at my datebook and I

926
00:42:36,749 --> 00:42:34,119
counted up how many auditions I had to

927
00:42:40,469 --> 00:42:36,759
go on before I got one and I was like ah

928
00:42:42,299 --> 00:42:40,479
25 okay 25 and I was up to like 23 I

929
00:42:45,059 --> 00:42:42,309
said okay I'll go in for another

930
00:42:48,749 --> 00:42:45,069
commercial well I got that one and I got

931
00:42:50,489 --> 00:42:48,759
the next one and here's why when you go

932
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,499
in and you're being cast for something

933
00:42:56,219 --> 00:42:52,960
there's usually somebody who especially

934
00:42:58,559 --> 00:42:56,229
an on camera thing looks exactly right

935
00:42:59,999 --> 00:42:58,569
for the part you know right right you

936
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:00,009
see remember we used to see these guys

937
00:43:04,529 --> 00:43:01,930
Terry McGovern was one of these

938
00:43:07,319 --> 00:43:04,539
wonderful guys great character face you

939
00:43:08,670 --> 00:43:07,329
know and yeah good after and so he would

940
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:08,680
get all these commercials you get a

941
00:43:14,430 --> 00:43:11,910
hamburger he'd get a car he'd get a

942
00:43:17,249 --> 00:43:14,440
whatever but then he wasn't available

943
00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:17,259
anymore okay so the next time that they

944
00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:19,619
did a hamburger or a car or whatever

945
00:43:28,019 --> 00:43:22,630
Proctor who came in second he got the

946
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:28,029
job and I went oh I see so now in the

947
00:43:34,739 --> 00:43:30,609
voice-over industry in those days you

948
00:43:36,539 --> 00:43:34,749
would usually actually read copy in in

949
00:43:38,999 --> 00:43:36,549
the studio or you'd read for the

950
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:39,009
producers in the studio okay so you were

951
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:41,920
reading with other people and the agent

952
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:45,130
would send it in and you get cast mostly

953
00:43:50,370 --> 00:43:47,249
because it wasn't that many people now

954
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:50,380
now you can do your auditions from home

955
00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:53,650
on a computer send them out into the

956
00:43:58,349 --> 00:43:56,200
ether and you don't know who you're

957
00:44:00,779 --> 00:43:58,359
competing with you're competing maybe

958
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:00,789
now with hundreds of people maybe more

959
00:44:05,609 --> 00:44:02,950
right when in the old days right you'd

960
00:44:07,799 --> 00:44:05,619
compete with maybe 70 people something

961
00:44:09,479 --> 00:44:07,809
like that and and you'd be working with

962
00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:09,489
them and the producers who were working

963
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:12,430
with you locally they knew who you were

964
00:44:14,910 --> 00:44:13,119
they knew you

965
00:44:17,249 --> 00:44:14,920
do this they knew that if you paired

966
00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:17,259
Proctor with clot worthy or somebody

967
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:20,380
else it would it would be a good result

968
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:23,650
good chemistry so it became again a

969
00:44:28,859 --> 00:44:26,049
little repertory company of talented

970
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:28,869
actors that's gone now that doesn't

971
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:31,650
exist No so now listen in many ways

972
00:44:37,019 --> 00:44:34,450
Jimmy I have to tell you I'm glad that

973
00:44:39,180 --> 00:44:37,029
I'm at the end of my career over let's

974
00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:39,190
say that my career is transmogrified

975
00:44:44,549 --> 00:44:41,950
into something something else because

976
00:44:46,859 --> 00:44:44,559
it's it's a it's a different world out

977
00:44:48,089 --> 00:44:46,869
there I used to say that Hollywood is

978
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:48,099
the only place where you could be

979
00:44:54,930 --> 00:44:51,970
stabbed in the front right good night I

980
00:44:57,630 --> 00:44:54,940
went and a lot of my work was also in

981
00:44:59,279 --> 00:44:57,640
the ADR will work now ADR for people out

982
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,289
there who don't know it it's additional

983
00:45:04,049 --> 00:45:01,839
dialogue replacement it's adding voices

984
00:45:06,359 --> 00:45:04,059
to all of the movies and the television

985
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:06,369
shows and even the cartoons that you see

986
00:45:10,380 --> 00:45:08,710
background voices or little individual

987
00:45:13,230 --> 00:45:10,390
characters that you know that aren't

988
00:45:15,089 --> 00:45:13,240
leads in the thing and the way that

989
00:45:17,549 --> 00:45:15,099
those groups were formed in the old days

990
00:45:19,859 --> 00:45:17,559
was improvisation airy groups

991
00:45:22,019 --> 00:45:19,869
improvisation Airy actors who the

992
00:45:24,539 --> 00:45:22,029
producers know they could hire to come

993
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,549
in and have these voices it with

994
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:25,839
different dialects and different

995
00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:27,970
languages to their movies right and

996
00:45:32,729 --> 00:45:30,460
because I spoke seven languages and

997
00:45:35,279 --> 00:45:32,739
could fake many others and could do any

998
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:35,289
dialect and it could change my voice and

999
00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:36,640
everything which they knew through fire

1000
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:39,220
sign theater as well I became a member

1001
00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:41,410
of some of these wonderful groups Lee

1002
00:45:46,769 --> 00:45:43,960
French and Micky McGowan and many other

1003
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:46,779
really wonderful people and so I had

1004
00:45:50,970 --> 00:45:48,910
steady work coming in because they say

1005
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:50,980
okay this movie takes place in Brooklyn

1006
00:46:00,120 --> 00:45:56,890
China Yugoslavia France and Ireland I

1007
00:46:02,910 --> 00:46:00,130
can do that yep yep yep right yep so I

1008
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:02,920
get the work and at a certain point that

1009
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:05,950
changed too because younger people began

1010
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:07,569
to take over the groups and they

1011
00:46:11,009 --> 00:46:08,890
naturally wanted to bring in their

1012
00:46:13,289 --> 00:46:11,019
friends to do it and other talented

1013
00:46:15,870 --> 00:46:13,299
young people who could do it that's fine

1014
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:15,880
I had a great run with that but it was

1015
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:19,930
also Michonne this idea of finding

1016
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:22,480
talented people and bringing them

1017
00:46:26,530 --> 00:46:25,450
together into a kind of a little unified

1018
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:26,540
group

1019
00:46:31,090 --> 00:46:29,210
where people could count on one another

1020
00:46:34,180 --> 00:46:31,100
to support one another

1021
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:34,190
I've never been a believer in the

1022
00:46:39,550 --> 00:46:36,890
cutthroat competitiveness of our

1023
00:46:44,290 --> 00:46:39,560
business I believe that are the the

1024
00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:44,300
basis of our pyramid is cooperation it's

1025
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:47,630
in a way it's communal where you rep you

1026
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:50,960
where you you can you you like to say

1027
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:53,510
let's work with so-and-so I love working

1028
00:46:58,210 --> 00:46:55,070
with that person you recommend people

1029
00:47:00,430 --> 00:46:58,220
for jobs and that's the way it works I

1030
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:00,440
don't think that's quite the same these

1031
00:47:05,260 --> 00:47:02,450
days because you look at everything

1032
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,270
there's a lot more work being done okay

1033
00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:08,000
a lot more opportunity but it's not paid

1034
00:47:14,650 --> 00:47:11,390
as well okay and it's all so fragmented

1035
00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:14,660
there were you know a hundreds of shows

1036
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:17,420
being done now lots of talented kids out

1037
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:19,130
there lots of talented character actors

1038
00:47:24,190 --> 00:47:21,530
but it's not as though you're going to

1039
00:47:27,370 --> 00:47:24,200
be recycled and used again and again and

1040
00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:27,380
again you're off on one show on the year

1041
00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:29,990
the underbelly Channel you know and

1042
00:47:33,790 --> 00:47:31,880
another show is on the who are you

1043
00:47:36,370 --> 00:47:33,800
channel you know and others always

1044
00:47:39,220 --> 00:47:36,380
downloaded and another show you have to

1045
00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:39,230
subscribe to Rossi right right right

1046
00:47:44,650 --> 00:47:41,630
right well the United fragmented it's

1047
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:44,660
not the sense of community is gone and

1048
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:48,170
yet this is this is the the parody the

1049
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:50,930
the paradox of our world it's a paradox

1050
00:47:55,210 --> 00:47:53,090
of your show right now they're speaking

1051
00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:55,220
we're speaking to all kinds of wonderful

1052
00:47:59,440 --> 00:47:58,250
people out there but we're speaking in a

1053
00:48:02,290 --> 00:47:59,450
very specific

1054
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:02,300
fade to black channel right right right

1055
00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:05,210
right and these people subscribe to that

1056
00:48:09,370 --> 00:48:07,190
channel want to be a part of this

1057
00:48:11,110 --> 00:48:09,380
experience they believe in this

1058
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:11,120
experience they are fed by this

1059
00:48:15,820 --> 00:48:13,490
experience they like what you're doing

1060
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:15,830
okay and therefore they show their

1061
00:48:18,430 --> 00:48:16,370
support

1062
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:18,440
that's how fire sign theater happened

1063
00:48:24,850 --> 00:48:21,950
people showed their support and there

1064
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:24,860
was a guy named Jon McClure at Columbia

1065
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:27,440
Records a wonderful producer who

1066
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:29,810
basically fought for us after our first

1067
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,850
album because they were ready to drop us

1068
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:33,440
they didn't know who these these crazy

1069
00:48:36,910 --> 00:48:34,970
guys and what is this crazy stuff

1070
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:36,920
they're doing and McClure said no these

1071
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:38,210
guys are geniuses they're going to do

1072
00:48:41,660 --> 00:48:39,510
great work and he's

1073
00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:41,670
I'm gonna sign them to a spoken-- arts

1074
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:44,910
contract what did that mean that meant

1075
00:48:52,070 --> 00:48:48,170
that we had unlimited free studio time

1076
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:52,080
Wow okay we heard might be reduced

1077
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:55,050
royalty right right unheard of yeah

1078
00:49:00,050 --> 00:48:57,240
unheard of it was unheard of and it

1079
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:00,060
allowed us to do as I said earlier to

1080
00:49:07,220 --> 00:49:03,920
have the luxury to write an album go

1081
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:07,230
take the big part of the album go in and

1082
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,170
lay it down let it inform us come back

1083
00:49:15,020 --> 00:49:13,200
write some more go in it you know you

1084
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:15,030
didn't have to have a complete script

1085
00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:16,680
you didn't have to have a complete

1086
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:19,140
breakdown he didn't have to budget the

1087
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:22,170
whole thing for two weeks or five days

1088
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:24,810
or whatever was we had the luxury to

1089
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:28,500
spend really as much time as we needed

1090
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:32,400
to do that album justice but at the same

1091
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:35,010
time we were efficient and we were

1092
00:49:41,330 --> 00:49:36,930
turning out stuff we were performing

1093
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:41,340
live we would take our material the the

1094
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:42,690
beginning of our mature like don't crush

1095
00:49:46,580 --> 00:49:44,610
that dwarf hand me the pliers which we

1096
00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:46,590
we discovered was really about channel

1097
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:48,600
surfing and we discovered that by going

1098
00:49:54,140 --> 00:49:51,570
on the stage at what is now the improv

1099
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:54,150
what was then the Ashgrove and doing a

1100
00:49:59,660 --> 00:49:57,090
little show based on the ideas of the

1101
00:50:01,790 --> 00:49:59,670
album okay and then we could tell what

1102
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:01,800
resonated with the audience and we could

1103
00:50:06,380 --> 00:50:04,110
tell what it was that worked that we

1104
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:06,390
could translate into a movie for the

1105
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,730
mind which is the way we often thought

1106
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:10,800
of our albums and then we could go into

1107
00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:14,010
the studio with a form in our mind and

1108
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:17,220
lay it down piece by piece until we were

1109
00:50:23,570 --> 00:50:19,560
satisfied so there was own not a lot of

1110
00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:23,580
of re-editing with our with our work you

1111
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:25,350
know we didn't take one scene and throw

1112
00:50:30,850 --> 00:50:27,180
it there and move scene throw it there

1113
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:30,860
we work pretty Lyn linearly linearly

1114
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:35,280
close enough close enough do you let me

1115
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:38,160
jump in do you looking back and now that

1116
00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:40,890
you understand the industry do you

1117
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:45,180
realize how lucky you guys were to be

1118
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:47,510
handed that kind of gift to be able to

1119
00:50:52,940 --> 00:50:49,980
to grow and

1120
00:50:54,859 --> 00:50:52,950
and to not be pressured and not to have

1121
00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:54,869
the record company going dudes we need

1122
00:50:59,420 --> 00:50:56,910
this now you get one day in the studio

1123
00:51:02,210 --> 00:50:59,430
enough it flops you guys are dropped and

1124
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:02,220
you're like they did with with all of

1125
00:51:07,580 --> 00:51:03,630
their talent but that's not the way

1126
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:07,590
apparently that you guys got to play no

1127
00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:11,369
it's true and yes as anybody in show

1128
00:51:16,940 --> 00:51:13,950
business will tell you luck plays an

1129
00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:16,950
important role in everything it's

1130
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:18,660
interesting because in my book whereas

1131
00:51:24,310 --> 00:51:21,240
my fortune cookie which is a you you

1132
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:24,320
rightly called out as being psychic

1133
00:51:33,590 --> 00:51:30,960
surrealistic story story right it has a

1134
00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:33,600
lot of elements of serendipity a lot of

1135
00:51:38,330 --> 00:51:35,700
elements of coincidence a lot of

1136
00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:38,340
elements of luck but it has more

1137
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:41,640
elements in my life of really kind of

1138
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:44,880
bizarre and uncanny things that happened

1139
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,119
psychic things had happened that guided

1140
00:51:54,530 --> 00:51:51,359
me in in the path of my my ultimate

1141
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:54,540
choices to create this kind of very

1142
00:52:01,700 --> 00:51:57,480
unique and bizarre career that I ended

1143
00:52:04,940 --> 00:52:01,710
up having and and a lot of that people

1144
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:04,950
would say it's luck but the reason I

1145
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:06,090
wrote one of the reasons I wrote the

1146
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:09,090
book was I want to show people that it

1147
00:52:14,359 --> 00:52:11,850
has more to do with listening to your

1148
00:52:19,570 --> 00:52:14,369
higher mind following your better

1149
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:19,580
instincts and not being afraid to accept

1150
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,420
really inexplicable hints as to the

1151
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:26,160
direction of your life or the choices

1152
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:28,680
that you make as you find your way

1153
00:52:35,060 --> 00:52:32,160
through this bizarre interesting

1154
00:52:38,349 --> 00:52:35,070
dimension that you've been given the

1155
00:52:41,540 --> 00:52:38,359
opportunity to experience and to explore

1156
00:52:44,570 --> 00:52:41,550
and you if we get into that later on

1157
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:44,580
I'll tell you some some bizarre stories

1158
00:52:50,330 --> 00:52:48,570
that I think you will make you recognize

1159
00:52:51,590 --> 00:52:50,340
what I'm what I'm getting at and and

1160
00:52:54,590 --> 00:52:51,600
we'll do that right after the break but

1161
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:54,600
before we get there have you found your

1162
00:53:03,770 --> 00:52:59,040
bliss yeah I think so I think so I think

1163
00:53:07,660 --> 00:53:03,780
that any artist is tchau

1164
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:07,670
it constantly because we there's always

1165
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:11,970
you always feel okay I was watching on

1166
00:53:18,110 --> 00:53:14,250
the flight here I watched a Beatle

1167
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,120
documentary by a I remember we did it

1168
00:53:21,650 --> 00:53:20,280
but a fairly recent Beatles documentary

1169
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:21,660
and one of the things that John Lennon

1170
00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:24,960
said when he was asked about when they

1171
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:27,240
took breaks from their work you know and

1172
00:53:32,420 --> 00:53:30,540
and whether that affected his his work

1173
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:32,430
he said well you know I gotta keep

1174
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:35,220
working I can't help it it just you know

1175
00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:39,030
happens and you can't stop it and see

1176
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:40,110
that's the way I feel about it that's

1177
00:53:47,540 --> 00:53:42,390
why when when you ask an artist if he's

1178
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:47,550
happy he'll generally say yeah pretty

1179
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:49,890
much so but but we're always we're

1180
00:53:53,780 --> 00:53:52,530
always challenged to do more I know

1181
00:53:56,330 --> 00:53:53,790
that's the way it is with me

1182
00:54:00,770 --> 00:53:56,340
even though I know that I'm reaching the

1183
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:00,780
end of my professional life in a way

1184
00:54:07,220 --> 00:54:04,110
because I have less opportunities there

1185
00:54:09,890 --> 00:54:07,230
I still feel the urge and the need to

1186
00:54:12,140 --> 00:54:09,900
express myself and that's what makes me

1187
00:54:15,380 --> 00:54:12,150
happy that's what brings me the Bliss

1188
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:15,390
it's not like a Nirvana it's not like a

1189
00:54:21,140 --> 00:54:17,970
Buddhistic rest it's not like a it's not

1190
00:54:23,810 --> 00:54:21,150
like a meditation it's it's a meditation

1191
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:23,820
with a goal which the guru that I

1192
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:26,010
studied with Jacques Honduras many years

1193
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,440
ago who Peter Fonda led me to of all

1194
00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:30,720
people wow that was that was a major

1195
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:33,720
message of the lessons that I learned in

1196
00:54:38,420 --> 00:54:35,930
studying higher consciousness and

1197
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:38,430
meditating you meditate towards a goal

1198
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:40,740
otherwise you become kind of a karmic

1199
00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:44,700
bum you know you you find the bliss but

1200
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:49,590
you don't find the blissfulness I need

1201
00:54:58,580 --> 00:54:51,540
to I need to freeze frame that for a

1202
00:55:01,130 --> 00:54:58,590
second Peter Fonda's guru that that

1203
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:01,140
that's a special moment now let me let

1204
00:55:05,540 --> 00:55:03,720
me let me ask you this though you you

1205
00:55:09,350 --> 00:55:05,550
know of feature films radio television

1206
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:09,360
you know the success Library of Congress

1207
00:55:13,940 --> 00:55:11,880
right all of the stuff is going on but

1208
00:55:15,860 --> 00:55:13,950
what it what would be left

1209
00:55:16,580 --> 00:55:15,870
you know Dancing with the Stars I mean

1210
00:55:19,010 --> 00:55:16,590
what would

1211
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:19,020
no I've got a very good dancer I said I

1212
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:21,690
tried I you know I took when you get out

1213
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:24,720
of school and you and you're an actor or

1214
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:26,010
something you always want to you know

1215
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:27,660
try everything you can cuz oh man I'm

1216
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:28,980
gonna be in a musical I want to dance

1217
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:31,650
right I tried jazz jazz dad's you know I

1218
00:55:36,980 --> 00:55:33,960
can't I didn't couldn't do that I can

1219
00:55:39,350 --> 00:55:36,990
sing I can move I can dance a little bit

1220
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:39,360
but that I said no okay that's not gonna

1221
00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:43,530
be part of my skill set right and I have

1222
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:45,180
to accept that but I can do other things

1223
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:47,730
other people can't do that's how and

1224
00:55:52,010 --> 00:55:49,890
I'll build on those strengths you see

1225
00:55:55,610 --> 00:55:52,020
instead of trying to to challenge myself

1226
00:55:59,720 --> 00:55:55,620
to or to do you know in a sense waste

1227
00:56:03,890 --> 00:55:59,730
time trying to fulfill an aspect of my

1228
00:56:06,590 --> 00:56:03,900
own destiny that wasn't necessarily part

1229
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:06,600
of the gifts that God gave me naturally

1230
00:56:12,860 --> 00:56:08,910
you follow yeah I do and we're gonna hit

1231
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:12,870
a break here in 60 seconds so give me

1232
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:16,980
the list your influences and and and

1233
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:21,090
listening to you I have no idea who that

1234
00:56:29,380 --> 00:56:24,900
could be but just give me the 30 second

1235
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:29,390
short list okay Bob and Ray Ernie Kovacs

1236
00:56:38,540 --> 00:56:32,040
mm-hmm Mad Magazine

1237
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:38,550
okay classical music and Broadway music

1238
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:41,310
jazz music music in general I play the

1239
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:44,010
violin not well anymore but I played in

1240
00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:47,160
an orchestra and I say I sing I sing I

1241
00:56:53,780 --> 00:56:51,000
love to sing languages fascinated with

1242
00:56:58,640 --> 00:56:53,790
languages I had a gift for languages and

1243
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:58,650
let's see I would say then dreaming love

1244
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:00,900
dreaming I used to be able to control my

1245
00:57:06,650 --> 00:57:03,150
dreams when I was a kid and I always

1246
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:06,660
studied like the self-hypnosis and ways

1247
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:12,290
of finding mmm clues and secrets to

1248
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:14,940
using my personalities to its fullest

1249
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:17,310
extent and then to a certain extent

1250
00:57:23,090 --> 00:57:21,330
inner spiritual belief belief in the

1251
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,100
inner spiritual reality and the

1252
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:26,160
universality of all mankind those are

1253
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:28,260
kind of same come from favorite guitar

1254
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:30,210
player

1255
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:32,280
favorite Jamie Hendricks I knew that it

1256
00:57:37,130 --> 00:57:34,980
was see that that's the second softball

1257
00:57:38,420 --> 00:57:37,140
of the night that you get bill let's

1258
00:57:40,460 --> 00:57:38,430
take a break right here our guest

1259
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:40,470
tonight Phil Proctor when we come back

1260
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:42,599
now we're gonna go we're gonna go where

1261
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:45,450
we need to go let's go let's go into the

1262
00:57:50,060 --> 00:57:47,130
world of the supernatural or guest:i

1263
00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:50,070
Phil Proctor Firestein theater his new

1264
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:52,920
book where's my fortune cookie we'll be

1265
00:58:11,910 --> 00:57:54,050
right back

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all right welcome back fate the black

1328
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I'm your host Amy Church follow me on

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guest tonight fire sign theater of

1332
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course but he's got a new book out

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where's my fortune cookie and we're

1334
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gonna talk about some of the things that

1335
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are in this book

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I want people to purchase the book and

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but Phil this is this is the truth I

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have always been fascinated and it's my

1342
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mom's fault but I've always been

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fascinated with the subjects of of not

1344
01:02:27,740 --> 01:02:25,350
only UFOs but Edgar Cayce and ancient

1345
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:27,750
Egypt and ancient aliens and Erich von

1346
01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:30,480
Daniken and and all of that so I grew up

1347
01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:33,660
with that but with fire sign theater I

1348
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:37,140
would listen to those albums and I knew

1349
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:39,960
I knew something was going on I just

1350
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:42,930
knew it right so now I get the book and

1351
01:02:50,690 --> 01:02:45,690
I'm reading the book and my life now is

1352
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:50,700
making a lot of sense being honest here

1353
01:02:59,360 --> 01:02:57,450
so with the subject of aliens and et I'm

1354
01:03:01,810 --> 01:02:59,370
gonna hand this off to you but I'm gonna

1355
01:03:06,070 --> 01:03:01,820
make this comment first which is this

1356
01:03:08,930 --> 01:03:06,080
there has been a lot of talk lately from

1357
01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:08,940
government agencies in NASA about alien

1358
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:10,980
contact and fast radio bursts and

1359
01:03:15,830 --> 01:03:13,650
exoplanets and is there life out there

1360
01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:15,840
we're searching we're looking and and

1361
01:03:21,110 --> 01:03:18,660
every week there seems to be some kind

1362
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:21,120
of alien press conference right which is

1363
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:23,250
pretty unusual we've never had it in the

1364
01:03:30,340 --> 01:03:26,400
past so when you hear this kind of stuff

1365
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:30,350
and the possibility of alien contact

1366
01:03:38,090 --> 01:03:35,730
what is your answer to that well frankly

1367
01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:38,100
from my experiences and I'll talk a

1368
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:39,660
little bit about some of them I think

1369
01:03:47,570 --> 01:03:44,250
it's in traditional okay I think it goes

1370
01:03:50,420 --> 01:03:47,580
beyond the laws of physics and I think

1371
01:03:55,610 --> 01:03:50,430
that a lot of the sightings the physical

1372
01:03:58,220 --> 01:03:55,620
sightings are robotic vessels because

1373
01:04:01,020 --> 01:03:58,230
the distances that we talk about

1374
01:04:02,580 --> 01:04:01,030
astronomically are astronomical mm-hmm

1375
01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:02,590
between you know galaxies and planets

1376
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:06,220
and things but the the ability of and

1377
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:09,490
which we learn even with drones being a

1378
01:04:14,970 --> 01:04:12,160
metaphor for you know reaching out front

1379
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:14,980
of the planet and visiting another

1380
01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:17,290
planet without having to have really any

1381
01:04:24,060 --> 01:04:20,020
kind of I have said you weren't human

1382
01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:24,070
any kind of organic connection to it

1383
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:27,070
okay can can be especially with from an

1384
01:04:31,740 --> 01:04:28,930
advanced civilization can have a

1385
01:04:34,020 --> 01:04:31,750
tremendous effect which it does have

1386
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:34,030
even if it's just enlightens people to

1387
01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:36,330
the fact that they're not alone okay

1388
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:39,640
right so then I'll get into some of that

1389
01:04:42,690 --> 01:04:41,170
I do want to mention by the way if

1390
01:04:45,570 --> 01:04:42,700
people are interested in following me

1391
01:04:48,060 --> 01:04:45,580
they can go to Planet Proctor com where

1392
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:48,070
which is my little blog ok planet

1393
01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:50,410
Proctor calm and also for those people

1394
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:53,260
who matin might only know me a few fires

1395
01:04:57,870 --> 01:04:55,810
in theatres I want to mention to your

1396
01:04:59,640 --> 01:04:57,880
other listeners I was a voice of Howard

1397
01:05:01,950 --> 01:04:59,650
on the Rugrats for fourteen years

1398
01:05:04,050 --> 01:05:01,960
I am the drunken French monkey in the

1399
01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:04,060
dr. Doolittle movies and I am the

1400
01:05:08,940 --> 01:05:06,550
villain dr. vidiq in the Assassin's

1401
01:05:10,860 --> 01:05:08,950
Creed games among other things just so

1402
01:05:12,990 --> 01:05:10,870
that you you get an idea which you I

1403
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:13,000
know you understand but just so that you

1404
01:05:18,810 --> 01:05:15,610
get an idea of how the a voiceover

1405
01:05:23,580 --> 01:05:18,820
career can reach so many interesting

1406
01:05:25,530 --> 01:05:23,590
levels now here's what's going on the

1407
01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:25,540
book is called where's my fortune cookie

1408
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:28,750
because Peter Bergmann and I and there's

1409
01:05:32,430 --> 01:05:30,400
an illustration of this on the cover of

1410
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:32,440
the book it's a shot of Peter Bergmann

1411
01:05:37,170 --> 01:05:34,210
and me cowering under a table in a

1412
01:05:38,910 --> 01:05:37,180
Chinese restaurant that's because the

1413
01:05:42,690 --> 01:05:38,920
book starts off with the story of how

1414
01:05:44,670 --> 01:05:42,700
Peter and I escaped we're involved in

1415
01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:44,680
the golden dragon massacre which

1416
01:05:50,250 --> 01:05:47,740
happened 40 years ago in 1977 in

1417
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:50,260
September in which five people were

1418
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:52,690
killed and 11 wounded including our

1419
01:05:55,710 --> 01:05:54,010
friend who brought us into the

1420
01:05:58,850 --> 01:05:55,720
restaurant who is still carrying a

1421
01:06:02,160 --> 01:05:58,860
machine-gun slug behind his knee now

1422
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:02,170
when I when this event occurred and I

1423
01:06:06,270 --> 01:06:03,730
won't go into it it's in the book and

1424
01:06:08,340 --> 01:06:06,280
it's it's a pretty honest rendition of

1425
01:06:11,650 --> 01:06:08,350
what it felt like to be in the middle of

1426
01:06:13,660 --> 01:06:11,660
a gangland shooting between two Chinese

1427
01:06:16,779 --> 01:06:13,670
gangs with people being killed and

1428
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:16,789
wounded around me but the point of the

1429
01:06:20,589 --> 01:06:18,799
story the ultimate point of the story is

1430
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:20,599
that the whole thing was predicted to me

1431
01:06:26,049 --> 01:06:23,359
it was predicted to me two months before

1432
01:06:28,690 --> 01:06:26,059
by a friend of mine named Sharon who

1433
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:28,700
said I would be involved after a show

1434
01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:30,770
with Peter Bergmann we would be involved

1435
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:32,809
in a gangland shooting people would be

1436
01:06:38,020 --> 01:06:34,400
killed and wounded around us but we

1437
01:06:40,059 --> 01:06:38,030
would come out okay now without we let's

1438
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:40,069
pump the brakes here that's that's

1439
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:42,770
pretty dramatic and if you get that late

1440
01:06:49,569 --> 01:06:46,609
on to you from a psychic a friend I had

1441
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:49,579
a dream whatever that's usually

1442
01:06:55,150 --> 01:06:51,890
dismissed because it's a little bit too

1443
01:06:58,990 --> 01:06:55,160
fantastical right it's getting out there

1444
01:07:00,339 --> 01:06:59,000
a bit so did you think about it or did

1445
01:07:04,029 --> 01:07:00,349
you just dismiss it

1446
01:07:07,059 --> 01:07:04,039
no there are two aspects of that number

1447
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:07,069
one is I before I had been studying

1448
01:07:12,250 --> 01:07:09,170
higher consciousness really since I was

1449
01:07:14,829 --> 01:07:12,260
a kid right always fascinated me so I

1450
01:07:17,260 --> 01:07:14,839
was always open to the possibility of

1451
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:17,270
the invisible world and the effect of my

1452
01:07:21,250 --> 01:07:19,039
effect on the invisible world and the

1453
01:07:23,500 --> 01:07:21,260
invisible world's effect on me what you

1454
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:23,510
know what's flowing around what am i

1455
01:07:27,549 --> 01:07:25,910
listening to in the my back brain what's

1456
01:07:29,319 --> 01:07:27,559
what's that little sizzle back there

1457
01:07:31,420 --> 01:07:29,329
what's that little message okay what's

1458
01:07:33,309 --> 01:07:31,430
my instinct when I meet these people or

1459
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:33,319
when I walk into this situation does the

1460
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:34,910
hair stand up on the back of my neck and

1461
01:07:38,829 --> 01:07:36,890
during the time that Peter Bergmann and

1462
01:07:40,690 --> 01:07:38,839
I were touring with Proctor and Bergman

1463
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:40,700
there was a lot of they were hijacking

1464
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:42,410
going on there was a Symbian YZ

1465
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:44,690
Liberation Army it was active there were

1466
01:07:52,930 --> 01:07:48,770
you know terrorism IRA there was and so

1467
01:07:55,420 --> 01:07:52,940
I was aware my hackles were up and I

1468
01:07:57,609 --> 01:07:55,430
used to fantasize about being in a

1469
01:08:00,579 --> 01:07:57,619
dangerous situation and how would I

1470
01:08:03,370 --> 01:08:00,589
respond so when this shooting happened

1471
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:03,380
this was in San Francisco right yes San

1472
01:08:09,579 --> 01:08:06,079
Francisco that's right the Golden Dragon

1473
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,589
restaurant and the way that all came

1474
01:08:13,269 --> 01:08:11,359
about is in the book is again kind of

1475
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:13,279
like oh you know how did this happen

1476
01:08:17,140 --> 01:08:15,200
well it happened because I learned that

1477
01:08:19,570 --> 01:08:17,150
morning that my wife Barbara settings

1478
01:08:21,039 --> 01:08:19,580
and my second wife was pregnant and so

1479
01:08:22,510 --> 01:08:21,049
instead of her coming up to San

1480
01:08:23,979 --> 01:08:22,520
Francisco with me which would have

1481
01:08:25,209 --> 01:08:23,989
changed the whole dynamic of that

1482
01:08:27,820 --> 01:08:25,219
evening right

1483
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:27,830
she's decided to stay home and because

1484
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:29,810
of that I'm then lying under a table

1485
01:08:33,610 --> 01:08:31,850
behind the steel column of the table

1486
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,620
while people are being killed right in

1487
01:08:38,890 --> 01:08:35,839
front of me with these three guys with

1488
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:38,900
the two rifles a B AR machine gun and a

1489
01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:41,810
pistol and I'm thinking I'm have a

1490
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:44,089
choice of I have no choice and I'm

1491
01:08:49,300 --> 01:08:46,130
between life and death life is

1492
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:49,310
responsibility raising a child right

1493
01:08:53,740 --> 01:08:50,719
which I just learned about that morning

1494
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,750
right death responsibility right right

1495
01:08:57,519 --> 01:08:55,520
nothingness being and nothingness there

1496
01:08:58,959 --> 01:08:57,529
it was and I just and then the next

1497
01:09:00,579 --> 01:08:58,969
thing I thought was when the drilling

1498
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:00,589
stops you can go home if you're in the

1499
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,330
dentist's office you have to put up with

1500
01:09:08,650 --> 01:09:04,400
it until it stops and when they when the

1501
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:08,660
shooting stopped I was okay so having

1502
01:09:16,059 --> 01:09:13,759
had that experience I knew afterwards

1503
01:09:17,890 --> 01:09:16,069
that it had been predicted it wasn't

1504
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:17,900
like I'm lying under vinegar oh my god

1505
01:09:22,030 --> 01:09:19,850
Chiron protected this row right because

1506
01:09:25,660 --> 01:09:22,040
I was in the moment right right but I

1507
01:09:30,579 --> 01:09:25,670
then thought back well the reason I even

1508
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:30,589
mentioned Chiron is that she is she was

1509
01:09:37,059 --> 01:09:34,130
intimately involved with contact with

1510
01:09:39,729 --> 01:09:37,069
aliens and and I'm gonna get into this

1511
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:39,739
because it's all pretty weird but I I

1512
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:42,319
want to put it out there because many

1513
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,449
other people can relate to the

1514
01:09:48,249 --> 01:09:46,400
experiences but I first want to tell you

1515
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:48,259
why the book is called where's my

1516
01:09:53,740 --> 01:09:51,410
fortune cookie after all this went down

1517
01:09:56,340 --> 01:09:53,750
many many many many years later Peter

1518
01:09:58,600 --> 01:09:56,350
Bergmann passed away five years ago and

1519
01:10:00,520 --> 01:09:58,610
he had a memorial service we had a

1520
01:10:03,790 --> 01:10:00,530
memorial service in for him in Venice

1521
01:10:06,430 --> 01:10:03,800
California and there was a friend of

1522
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:06,440
ours named Gretchen Gretchen Steiner who

1523
01:10:11,410 --> 01:10:08,810
had brought fortune cookies to the

1524
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:11,420
memorial service with Peter's name in it

1525
01:10:15,550 --> 01:10:13,850
his date of birth and death and then

1526
01:10:17,860 --> 01:10:15,560
various names of our albums

1527
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:17,870
I think robo's is on this bus and of

1528
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:20,690
course that dwarf etc Firestein quotes

1529
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:23,600
add to it and and so I asked her I said

1530
01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:25,010
well that's really sweet of you to do

1531
01:10:29,170 --> 01:10:26,510
that because of the golden dragon

1532
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:29,180
massacre and she said what I said you

1533
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:31,489
know Peter and I survived that a Chinese

1534
01:10:36,340 --> 01:10:33,920
gangland shooting she said you did what

1535
01:10:38,979 --> 01:10:36,350
I said wait a minute you don't know

1536
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:38,989
about that she said no I don't

1537
01:10:43,929 --> 01:10:41,570
so well then why did you get these

1538
01:10:46,959 --> 01:10:43,939
fortune cookies her eyes and she said

1539
01:10:50,290 --> 01:10:46,969
Peter Bergmann came to me in a dream no

1540
01:10:52,959 --> 01:10:50,300
no he said to me I never got my fortune

1541
01:10:55,299 --> 01:10:52,969
cookie no that's what she said to me

1542
01:10:59,770 --> 01:10:55,309
that is nuts

1543
01:11:03,609 --> 01:10:59,780
you wanted to go there I know thank you

1544
01:11:04,509 --> 01:11:03,619
there I love it but IIIi want to know

1545
01:11:10,959 --> 01:11:04,519
what

1546
01:11:13,509 --> 01:11:10,969
your head at that moment the same thing

1547
01:11:15,759 --> 01:11:13,519
that's going through my body right now

1548
01:11:18,819 --> 01:11:15,769
which is emotion right right

1549
01:11:21,729 --> 01:11:18,829
tears right right it's like the

1550
01:11:25,149 --> 01:11:21,739
recognition of something beyond right

1551
01:11:28,509 --> 01:11:25,159
you know it is it's a validation in a

1552
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:28,519
way of the world beyond right and at the

1553
01:11:33,699 --> 01:11:31,130
same time it's it's it's it's a mystery

1554
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:33,709
because where did this cover

1555
01:11:38,739 --> 01:11:36,800
did she subliminally remember had she

1556
01:11:40,899 --> 01:11:38,749
did she hear one of our comic routines

1557
01:11:43,060 --> 01:11:40,909
because after that event happened the

1558
01:11:46,209 --> 01:11:43,070
shooting right Peter and I had to fly to

1559
01:11:48,759 --> 01:11:46,219
Boulder Colorado and perform and and of

1560
01:11:50,410 --> 01:11:48,769
course we integrated this into our act

1561
01:11:52,359 --> 01:11:50,420
we said we just survived you know a

1562
01:11:55,209 --> 01:11:52,369
shooting if I've killed and then and and

1563
01:11:58,209 --> 01:11:55,219
Peter said well and I said luckily I

1564
01:12:01,509 --> 01:11:58,219
ordered the duck and then Peter said and

1565
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:01,519
I ordered the scared prawns you see and

1566
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:03,679
he may have then Wilson and I never got

1567
01:12:10,959 --> 01:12:07,010
my fortune cookie maybe she heard it and

1568
01:12:13,299 --> 01:12:10,969
forgot it I don't know but whatever it I

1569
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:13,309
would prefer to think it was because I

1570
01:12:18,459 --> 01:12:16,249
Peter visits me in my dreams right you

1571
01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:18,469
know so just about my late partner Phil

1572
01:12:24,669 --> 01:12:21,409
Austin who passed away also of leukemia

1573
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:24,679
not too long ago yes it's a it's a part

1574
01:12:30,250 --> 01:12:27,530
of my life and it's a part of the cut

1575
01:12:34,529 --> 01:12:30,260
the continuity of my relationship with

1576
01:12:36,879 --> 01:12:34,539
these powerful personalities now Sharon

1577
01:12:39,850 --> 01:12:36,889
here's how that went down are you ready

1578
01:12:42,699 --> 01:12:39,860
I'm ready okay I'm touring with Proctor

1579
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:42,709
and Bergman and we had because of our

1580
01:12:47,529 --> 01:12:45,199
fascination with you apology and our

1581
01:12:49,629 --> 01:12:47,539
belief and fascination that there is

1582
01:12:52,810 --> 01:12:49,639
some kind of contact is going on and our

1583
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:52,820
fervent desire that someday

1584
01:13:00,280 --> 01:12:56,570
these secrets will be revealed to us as

1585
01:13:03,129 --> 01:13:00,290
a world okay as as a continuity of

1586
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:03,139
Nations and as as human beings so that

1587
01:13:08,290 --> 01:13:05,360
we realize that we are not alone in the

1588
01:13:10,770 --> 01:13:08,300
universe and what what will that bring

1589
01:13:14,350 --> 01:13:10,780
to us because of this we created two

1590
01:13:17,290 --> 01:13:14,360
comic alien characters Zippo and Garko

1591
01:13:19,089 --> 01:13:17,300
from the planet Bebo or something Zippo

1592
01:13:21,370 --> 01:13:19,099
would be within planet gorko right and

1593
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,380
and we we were I can't even remember all

1594
01:13:27,339 --> 01:13:23,360
the material we did but it was alien

1595
01:13:30,850 --> 01:13:27,349
perspectives on our world and Tony hiss

1596
01:13:32,830 --> 01:13:30,860
Alger Hiss his son was writing for The

1597
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,840
New Yorker at the time and he caught our

1598
01:13:36,910 --> 01:13:34,880
act and he said I wanted to interview

1599
01:13:38,830 --> 01:13:36,920
you guys for the talk of the town which

1600
01:13:40,990 --> 01:13:38,840
is the New Yorker magazine kind of

1601
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:41,000
cultural comedy thing that they do so he

1602
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:44,480
did he interviewed us and we were all he

1603
01:13:47,740 --> 01:13:45,770
was going to interviews so we were in

1604
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:47,750
Chicago getting ready to go to New York

1605
01:13:52,959 --> 01:13:51,530
and I picked up a newspaper and I saw

1606
01:13:55,180 --> 01:13:52,969
this article about this guy named uri

1607
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:55,190
geller and i was talking about how he

1608
01:13:59,319 --> 01:13:57,530
was a psychic and he could bend spoons

1609
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:59,329
with his mind and this and that anything

1610
01:14:03,819 --> 01:14:02,000
and i got very excited and i knocked on

1611
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:03,829
the adjoining door to Peter's room and I

1612
01:14:07,419 --> 01:14:05,449
said Peter I've got it we gotta meet

1613
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:07,429
this guy we gotta meet this guy because

1614
01:14:10,930 --> 01:14:08,719
it also talked about he'd been

1615
01:14:13,899 --> 01:14:10,940
communicating with with aliens in the

1616
01:14:15,970 --> 01:14:13,909
desert in in Israel so I've gotta meet

1617
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:15,980
him gotta meet him oh okay oh okay feel

1618
01:14:20,319 --> 01:14:18,409
fine good so we go to New York we do the

1619
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:20,329
interview that night were performing at

1620
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:22,310
the bottom line or the bitter end or the

1621
01:14:27,459 --> 01:14:25,250
bitter line and the bottom end and like

1622
01:14:29,770 --> 01:14:27,469
I go to the box office

1623
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:29,780
oh no there's a message for me I get to

1624
01:14:35,919 --> 01:14:34,159
the theater to the Cabaret club and said

1625
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:35,929
there's a message for you and it's from

1626
01:14:42,669 --> 01:14:38,719
this charan and I don't know if Chiron

1627
01:14:46,919 --> 01:14:42,679
so and it had a like a area code that

1628
01:14:51,580 --> 01:14:46,929
was like Woodstock area so I and it said

1629
01:14:53,950 --> 01:14:51,590
hurry Geller wants to meet you okay are

1630
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:53,960
you following I'm tripping is what I'm

1631
01:15:00,430 --> 01:14:56,239
doing but yes teller wants to beat you

1632
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:00,440
right I go oh my god what what are the

1633
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,730
odds of this yes so I saw I integrated

1634
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:06,560
it into the act I said oh

1635
01:15:10,540 --> 01:15:08,090
Geller born with a bent spoon in his

1636
01:15:13,630 --> 01:15:10,550
mouth this guy isn't it turns out you

1637
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:13,640
know early Geller is a magician who was

1638
01:15:18,340 --> 01:15:15,440
acquired his fame and his fortune

1639
01:15:20,980 --> 01:15:18,350
basically by deceiving people but at the

1640
01:15:23,980 --> 01:15:20,990
same time I then discovered when I

1641
01:15:25,630 --> 01:15:23,990
called this girl up it was Sharon she

1642
01:15:28,210 --> 01:15:25,640
changed her name and she had a married

1643
01:15:32,260 --> 01:15:28,220
name which I didn't recognize and she

1644
01:15:35,140 --> 01:15:32,270
was a girl that I got to know when I was

1645
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:35,150
living with Jeremy Clyde of Chad and

1646
01:15:46,450 --> 01:15:42,650
Jeremy in a estate Encino okay and and

1647
01:15:49,060 --> 01:15:46,460
and she was a very cute girl and very

1648
01:15:51,220 --> 01:15:49,070
smart and sweet so she I say what are

1649
01:15:54,430 --> 01:15:51,230
you doing well I'm working with Marie

1650
01:16:02,200 --> 01:15:54,440
Keller and dr. Andreea poor Harwick oh

1651
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:02,210
really okay oh yes okay up in Ossining

1652
01:16:07,090 --> 01:16:04,970
New York and and she said you got to

1653
01:16:09,340 --> 01:16:07,100
come up and visit so since I'm on the

1654
01:16:13,570 --> 01:16:09,350
road and I have some time I own I go up

1655
01:16:16,660 --> 01:16:13,580
and I visit her and she proceeds to tell

1656
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:16,670
me why a Yeller wants to meet me okay

1657
01:16:23,170 --> 01:16:20,210
why now listen to this I'm in this big

1658
01:16:25,420 --> 01:16:23,180
house she said they came back from a

1659
01:16:28,540 --> 01:16:25,430
television interview for Irish and and

1660
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,550
Yeller and they come into the house they

1661
01:16:33,310 --> 01:16:30,640
turn on the light in the hallway

1662
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:33,320
standing in the middle of the hallway is

1663
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:37,760
a record 78 apartment I mean 33 in the

1664
01:16:44,620 --> 01:16:40,730
third record so the good old vinyl kind

1665
01:16:46,830 --> 01:16:44,630
right and it's standing unsupported this

1666
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:46,840
is what she says to me standing

1667
01:16:54,130 --> 01:16:51,290
unsupported in the hallway now she said

1668
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:54,140
all of their records were upstairs in

1669
01:17:00,960 --> 01:16:57,410
this entertainment center and she said

1670
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:00,970
it looked like it had D materialized and

1671
01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:05,090
floated down and was sitting there they

1672
01:17:10,210 --> 01:17:07,490
go over to the record it's a fire sign

1673
01:17:12,910 --> 01:17:10,220
Theater record it's called lawyers

1674
01:17:15,940 --> 01:17:12,920
Hospital and it has a picture of us

1675
01:17:18,340 --> 01:17:15,950
depicted on a spaceship I'm the captain

1676
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:18,350
the spaceship and we're at Bergman is an

1677
01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:19,010
alien

1678
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:20,510
I think Austin's in a

1679
01:17:26,230 --> 01:17:22,610
anyway we're all in the spaceship and

1680
01:17:28,180 --> 01:17:26,240
they picked up the album and then they

1681
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:28,190
tried to make it stand up on end and

1682
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:31,370
they couldn't and Geller's and she says

1683
01:17:34,900 --> 01:17:33,050
it's a fire sign theater my friend Phil

1684
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:34,910
Proctor and Yeller says I want to meet

1685
01:17:40,690 --> 01:17:37,760
this guy I got to meet this guy now

1686
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:40,700
now I'm alone with her I didn't meet

1687
01:17:46,180 --> 01:17:43,370
Geller later I met Paul Harvick it's not

1688
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:46,190
a weird story but it's just me and

1689
01:17:50,110 --> 01:17:48,800
Chiron and this is the night that she

1690
01:17:52,450 --> 01:17:50,120
ultimately told me I was going to be

1691
01:17:55,150 --> 01:17:52,460
involved in this gangland shooting but

1692
01:17:58,030 --> 01:17:55,160
before that she told me of this story of

1693
01:18:01,090 --> 01:17:58,040
the connection with the aliens and she

1694
01:18:03,820 --> 01:18:01,100
said that basically porridge and Yeller

1695
01:18:07,450 --> 01:18:03,830
had been meeting with aliens some aliens

1696
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:07,460
in the desert in Israel and she said

1697
01:18:14,980 --> 01:18:11,330
that she Chiron was a conduit for

1698
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:14,990
reverse engineering from the aliens and

1699
01:18:20,440 --> 01:18:17,810
that she was being flown all over the

1700
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:20,450
country to speak to groups of scientists

1701
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:23,120
and other military people what year was

1702
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:23,600
this

1703
01:18:32,290 --> 01:18:30,530
happened 70 a-ok

1704
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:32,300
well the shooting was 77 so it was like

1705
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:35,930
77 77 77 right right all right now

1706
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:38,210
during the during the course of the

1707
01:18:41,470 --> 01:18:40,370
evening I shared with her some other

1708
01:18:45,820 --> 01:18:41,480
strange things that have been happening

1709
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:45,830
to me one morning when I was living up

1710
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:49,840
on Sunset Plaza Drive with my first wife

1711
01:18:56,650 --> 01:18:53,570
Sheila Peter and I were riding together

1712
01:18:58,750 --> 01:18:56,660
rewriting our act and so he joined me up

1713
01:19:00,340 --> 01:18:58,760
in our Inn in this big house I was

1714
01:19:03,100 --> 01:19:00,350
living in which was a house built by

1715
01:19:05,950 --> 01:19:03,110
Rudolph Valentino for his aunt beautiful

1716
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:05,960
house and we're in our kitchen and it's

1717
01:19:10,900 --> 01:19:08,090
one of these June gloom mornings it's

1718
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:10,910
all dark and and where I just had some

1719
01:19:15,190 --> 01:19:11,930
coffee we're sitting in this little

1720
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:15,200
table in our kitchen and there was a big

1721
01:19:20,170 --> 01:19:17,570
old Magic Chef stove that we added this

1722
01:19:22,420 --> 01:19:20,180
place and it's a kind of a stove that

1723
01:19:24,850 --> 01:19:22,430
has a big hood on it with lighting

1724
01:19:26,380 --> 01:19:24,860
built-in right and so I look over at

1725
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:26,390
Peter and I it's a dark in here and I

1726
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:29,360
said I said to myself I better turn the

1727
01:19:38,420 --> 01:19:34,710
light on and the light in the Magic Chef

1728
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:38,430
came on fluorescent light turned on mr.

1729
01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:40,050
Peter did you see that nice

1730
01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:43,500
you see yeah I said I I just thought

1731
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:48,420
that and it just happened uh okay so we

1732
01:19:55,790 --> 01:19:51,120
wrote well that was the beginning of a

1733
01:19:59,479 --> 01:19:55,800
long run of lights going on and off

1734
01:20:02,240 --> 01:19:59,489
around me in fact valerie perrine lived

1735
01:20:05,090 --> 01:20:02,250
across the street with one of Bob with

1736
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:05,100
Bob Hope's mistress please don't ask

1737
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:07,110
right right and she came over one day

1738
01:20:16,010 --> 01:20:11,280
with her dog and I put out two steaks to

1739
01:20:19,130 --> 01:20:16,020
thaw and I told her the story with my

1740
01:20:22,190 --> 01:20:19,140
wife of this light thing and I pointed

1741
01:20:24,260 --> 01:20:22,200
over to the the magic chef and the light

1742
01:20:26,570 --> 01:20:24,270
was on in the magic chef I said that's

1743
01:20:27,170 --> 01:20:26,580
where it happened and the light went out

1744
01:20:32,510 --> 01:20:27,180
yeah

1745
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:32,520
now were you thinking that maybe what

1746
01:20:39,050 --> 01:20:35,040
but I'm being serious

1747
01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:39,060
yeah we're you know were you thinking

1748
01:20:45,260 --> 01:20:40,920
that maybe now you could do this on

1749
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:45,270
command well yes and I there were times

1750
01:20:50,660 --> 01:20:48,090
and her witnesses to this favorite times

1751
01:20:52,190 --> 01:20:50,670
when I almost did well I would tell the

1752
01:20:53,959 --> 01:20:52,200
story this story because this went on

1753
01:20:57,260 --> 01:20:53,969
for a very long time right to two

1754
01:20:59,660 --> 01:20:57,270
friends and I was in somebody's big old

1755
01:21:03,970 --> 01:20:59,670
house in Beverly Hills telling this

1756
01:21:06,590 --> 01:21:03,980
story good friends and and the woman

1757
01:21:08,959 --> 01:21:06,600
went upstairs for something and then

1758
01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:08,969
came downstairs and said to like just

1759
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:14,070
flickered on in my bedroom okay okay now

1760
01:21:20,930 --> 01:21:17,489
but here's the topper for me we ran into

1761
01:21:23,540 --> 01:21:20,940
Steven Spielberg Peter and I who is a

1762
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:23,550
fireside fan and we we go back a long

1763
01:21:27,860 --> 01:21:25,920
ways together but he used to live in a

1764
01:21:30,979 --> 01:21:27,870
place called the farm where Peter lived

1765
01:21:32,330 --> 01:21:30,989
and it's a long story but anyway we ran

1766
01:21:35,420 --> 01:21:32,340
into him while he was scouting locations

1767
01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:35,430
for Close Encounters and we were talking

1768
01:21:38,959 --> 01:21:37,110
about our alien characters this is the

1769
01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:38,969
same period we're playing these alien

1770
01:21:42,979 --> 01:21:40,920
characters oh well I'm doing a movie

1771
01:21:46,010 --> 01:21:42,989
about aliens and they had my mama so

1772
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:46,020
okay fine and by the way the movie et

1773
01:21:51,090 --> 01:21:47,890
the director of photography

1774
01:21:53,610 --> 01:21:51,100
davi Oh did our movie everything you

1775
01:21:54,900 --> 01:21:53,620
know is wrong he filmed our movie

1776
01:21:58,590 --> 01:21:54,910
everything you know is wrong which is

1777
01:22:01,200 --> 01:21:58,600
about partly about your show right right

1778
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:01,210
about alien encounters right right right

1779
01:22:09,150 --> 01:22:03,600
right

1780
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:09,160
no I have to stop you I was not even 60

1781
01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:11,920
seconds ago Steven Spielberg popped into

1782
01:22:18,230 --> 01:22:15,190
my head oh yeah yeah yeah and and I was

1783
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:18,240
gonna go there about Close Encounters

1784
01:22:25,860 --> 01:22:21,970
about his knowledge and Hollywood that I

1785
01:22:28,710 --> 01:22:25,870
swear on all that I love and then what I

1786
01:22:30,930 --> 01:22:28,720
love and you whip that out and this is

1787
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:30,940
what's going on okay continue feel nice

1788
01:22:36,450 --> 01:22:31,600
all right

1789
01:22:39,930 --> 01:22:36,460
so I know I go to see Close Encounters

1790
01:22:43,020 --> 01:22:39,940
at a Writers Guild screening in Beverly

1791
01:22:45,930 --> 01:22:43,030
Hills and I pull up my car under a

1792
01:22:50,250 --> 01:22:45,940
streetlamp off off the street parking

1793
01:22:52,350 --> 01:22:50,260
and the light goes off no it goes on

1794
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:52,360
light goes on no other lights on the

1795
01:22:58,320 --> 01:22:55,030
street but but this one goes on right

1796
01:23:02,760 --> 01:22:58,330
where I parked I go in to the the movie

1797
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:02,770
and to see the movie and there's kind of

1798
01:23:09,660 --> 01:23:06,850
a hubbub going on in the the lobby and I

1799
01:23:10,890 --> 01:23:09,670
said what happened he said oh well we

1800
01:23:13,050 --> 01:23:10,900
were all watching the movie and then

1801
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:13,060
there was a blackout and that stopped

1802
01:23:17,670 --> 01:23:14,800
they had there was got blackout in

1803
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:17,680
Beverly Hills I don't know that's

1804
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:19,810
interesting listen I watched oblivion

1805
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:20,770
because everything was fine

1806
01:23:24,750 --> 01:23:22,510
this would offer every dollar Chiron

1807
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:24,760
told me when I told her these stories

1808
01:23:32,780 --> 01:23:28,000
she said that's the aliens telling you

1809
01:23:34,980 --> 01:23:32,790
that you're on the right track in

1810
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:34,990
investigating this in telling their

1811
01:23:41,010 --> 01:23:38,530
story in in in in telling people yes

1812
01:23:43,770 --> 01:23:41,020
it's really out there that there is life

1813
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:43,780
out there it is really happening now I

1814
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:48,010
then met coverage Peter and I had lunch

1815
01:23:52,830 --> 01:23:50,770
with Andrea Puharich in New York and we

1816
01:23:55,890 --> 01:23:52,840
were staying at the Barbizon which is a

1817
01:23:59,760 --> 01:23:55,900
great old hotel used to be like a ladies

1818
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,770
hotel in the old days and and he at

1819
01:24:04,750 --> 01:24:02,000
lunch he tells us the store

1820
01:24:10,900 --> 01:24:04,760
of how he's got a watch on which is in

1821
01:24:14,350 --> 01:24:10,910
Hebrew numbers and Roman numbers okay

1822
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:14,360
and he said he says it tells the time in

1823
01:24:20,860 --> 01:24:17,290
Israel and it tells the time in America

1824
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:20,870
okay where he is and he said that the

1825
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:26,530
the air the aliens stopped the Hebrew

1826
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:30,560
letters stopped the stop the the pointer

1827
01:24:37,209 --> 01:24:34,130
the the dial pointing at various Hebrew

1828
01:24:41,169 --> 01:24:37,219
letters he writes them down and it gives

1829
01:24:46,630 --> 01:24:41,179
him messages I've heard this yes yes yes

1830
01:24:51,580 --> 01:24:46,640
yes yes yes fine good hey that's great

1831
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:51,590
so I go we go back to the hotel I can't

1832
01:24:59,500 --> 01:24:55,850
get into my room what no the key doesn't

1833
01:25:02,830 --> 01:24:59,510
work what so we called the detective the

1834
01:25:05,620 --> 01:25:02,840
house detective and he comes up and he

1835
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:05,630
says always is is there somebody else in

1836
01:25:10,150 --> 01:25:08,449
there I said no it's just it's my room

1837
01:25:11,620 --> 01:25:10,160
he said well somebody has thrown the

1838
01:25:14,290 --> 01:25:11,630
deadbolt and you can only do that from

1839
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:14,300
the inside no no I said what are you

1840
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:16,130
talking about he says I don't worry I've

1841
01:25:22,930 --> 01:25:18,290
got a way to open it and he opens it

1842
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:22,940
the the door it's one light in the room

1843
01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:24,530
it's the light above you know in the

1844
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:31,550
ceiling it's on and see this is and when

1845
01:25:38,620 --> 01:25:35,330
did it did this follow you from a child

1846
01:25:40,900 --> 01:25:38,630
you know I'm not that I know I certainly

1847
01:25:43,540 --> 01:25:40,910
wasn't aware of lights going on and off

1848
01:25:45,250 --> 01:25:43,550
when I was a kid or went to school or in

1849
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:45,260
Russia or anything like that this was

1850
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:47,360
something that happened around the time

1851
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:50,480
that we were beginning to write the

1852
01:25:55,180 --> 01:25:54,410
material about the aliens Hey right

1853
01:25:58,060 --> 01:25:55,190
right right

1854
01:26:00,820 --> 01:25:58,070
and now okay we're gonna hit a break

1855
01:26:02,500 --> 01:26:00,830
right here I want to go back I want to

1856
01:26:04,630 --> 01:26:02,510
go back to the Steven Spielberg thought

1857
01:26:08,530 --> 01:26:04,640
before I get before it gets away from me

1858
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:08,540
um do you think that he is privy to

1859
01:26:14,810 --> 01:26:11,510
information you know he's got way too

1860
01:26:17,450 --> 01:26:14,820
much stuff about aliens and

1861
01:26:20,180 --> 01:26:17,460
fascination is obviously there but do

1862
01:26:24,290 --> 01:26:20,190
you has got some direct information I I

1863
01:26:26,750 --> 01:26:24,300
think I think that yes I do that's the

1864
01:26:29,689 --> 01:26:26,760
short answer and I think that a lot of

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01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:29,699
it comes out of research and a lot of it

1866
01:26:34,180 --> 01:26:31,650
comes out of talking to people like

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01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:34,190
Chiron and other people who have had

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01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:37,050
direct and personal experience and then

1869
01:26:42,649 --> 01:26:40,050
how do you communicate that to the world

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01:26:44,569 --> 01:26:42,659
right right and we communicated it to

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01:26:48,500 --> 01:26:44,579
the best of our ability on our limited

1872
01:26:50,569 --> 01:26:48,510
scale and and Firestein did too and

1873
01:26:53,450 --> 01:26:50,579
everything you know is wrong by the way

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01:26:56,359 --> 01:26:53,460
now available the movie now available on

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01:26:58,669 --> 01:26:56,369
the 2 DVD set just go to fireside

1876
01:27:01,490 --> 01:26:58,679
theater comm which has you know all a

1877
01:27:02,959 --> 01:27:01,500
whole bunch of our Firestein films which

1878
01:27:05,899 --> 01:27:02,969
I'm sure a lot of people are always

1879
01:27:08,089 --> 01:27:05,909
aware of a plus the entire everything

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01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:08,099
enjoys the wrong movie and some home

1881
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:09,570
movies some of which we're going to be

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01:27:14,270 --> 01:27:11,760
showing at our performance at the

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01:27:15,530 --> 01:27:14,280
Library of Congress on the making of

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01:27:17,089 --> 01:27:15,540
don't crush that dwarf hand me the

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01:27:18,770 --> 01:27:17,099
pliers which is the album that was

1886
01:27:20,899 --> 01:27:18,780
inducted into the Library of Congress

1887
01:27:22,399 --> 01:27:20,909
that got us to this point because there

1888
01:27:26,780 --> 01:27:22,409
I think they're going to acquire our

1889
01:27:28,430 --> 01:27:26,790
archives what I've got to take a break

1890
01:27:30,859 --> 01:27:28,440
right here so let's let's do that but

1891
01:27:35,629 --> 01:27:30,869
I'm the comment when I hear something

1892
01:27:38,209 --> 01:27:35,639
like that do you think you have made

1893
01:27:40,339 --> 01:27:38,219
that influence that people are speaking

1894
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:40,349
about do you feel it in your bones and

1895
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:43,679
yes I do and this is one of the things

1896
01:27:48,649 --> 01:27:46,050
Chiron said it is going to be through

1897
01:27:50,990 --> 01:27:48,659
all of these little revelations if

1898
01:27:53,209 --> 01:27:51,000
people finally will be ready to accept

1899
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:53,219
the big revelation that's coming we'll

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talk about that when we come back our

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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with Jimmy Church on the game change in

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[Music]

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01:32:18,820 --> 01:32:17,590
welcome back fade to black I'm your host

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01:32:21,340 --> 01:32:18,830
Jimmy Church you can follow me on

1971
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:21,350
Twitter at GH radio you can follow Phil

1972
01:32:27,550 --> 01:32:25,850
at fire sign Phil but it's Phil Proctor

1973
01:32:32,110 --> 01:32:27,560
you can find them on Twitter the links I

1974
01:32:34,810 --> 01:32:32,120
just posted and this is this is this is

1975
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:34,820
what I'm imagining right now Phil you're

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01:32:39,450 --> 01:32:36,490
over at this Screen Actors Guild

1977
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:39,460
retirement home in in Burbank and

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01:32:43,630 --> 01:32:41,840
they're sitting around the table with

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01:32:46,540 --> 01:32:43,640
your with your buddies right you're

1980
01:32:48,670 --> 01:32:46,550
playing dominoes and and one guy says

1981
01:32:51,550 --> 01:32:48,680
you know I you know I did I did a bunch

1982
01:32:53,470 --> 01:32:51,560
of skorsky I was in The Godfather the

1983
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:53,480
next guys you know I well I did

1984
01:32:58,770 --> 01:32:56,690
Apocalypse Now and you well

1985
01:33:01,690 --> 01:32:58,780
my stuff is in the Library of Congress

1986
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:01,700
and the conversation stops at that point

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01:33:07,660 --> 01:33:04,250
right you've got that going for you

1988
01:33:10,420 --> 01:33:07,670
it's it's true you know as much as I

1989
01:33:13,780 --> 01:33:10,430
regret at times that I wasn't able to

1990
01:33:16,150 --> 01:33:13,790
pursue a more active film career because

1991
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:16,160
making movies is really fun and and and

1992
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:19,130
and a miraculous form of entertainment I

1993
01:33:24,910 --> 01:33:22,490
have to admit I still enjoy the doing

1994
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:24,920
theatre by the way I'm a work with the

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01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:27,050
anteus company which is an award-winning

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01:33:30,910 --> 01:33:28,850
classical company in Los Angeles

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01:33:33,130 --> 01:33:30,920
California with my darling wife Melinda

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01:33:35,350 --> 01:33:33,140
Petersen as often as I can as well and

1999
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:35,360
that gives me great satisfaction but

2000
01:33:41,770 --> 01:33:37,490
really being recognized for having a

2001
01:33:44,260 --> 01:33:41,780
cultural effect was a high point of our

2002
01:33:46,450 --> 01:33:44,270
career when we discovered that they were

2003
01:33:48,580 --> 01:33:46,460
inducting don't crush that dwarf hand me

2004
01:33:50,530 --> 01:33:48,590
the pliers into the Library of Congress

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01:33:52,780 --> 01:33:50,540
about how many years ago was it honey

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01:33:55,780 --> 01:33:52,790
seven years ago six years seven years

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01:33:59,590 --> 01:33:55,790
ago and they flew us down here to

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01:34:01,510 --> 01:33:59,600
Washington ac/dc for a ceremony and a

2009
01:34:03,190 --> 01:34:01,520
lovely luncheon that the library and

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01:34:05,170 --> 01:34:03,200
everything it tore and all that it was

2011
01:34:08,410 --> 01:34:05,180
thrilling and at the same time mind you

2012
01:34:11,170 --> 01:34:08,420
Jimi Hendrix catalog was being inducted

2013
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:11,180
into the Hall of Fame and Martha and the

2014
01:34:19,030 --> 01:34:16,970
Vandellas right was Martha there dancing

2015
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:19,040
in the street was also inducted at that

2016
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:22,250
time so I mean that's pretty cool

2017
01:34:27,550 --> 01:34:23,930
and oh the other thing that tickles me

2018
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:27,560
if you have a Siri on your iPhone if you

2019
01:34:30,850 --> 01:34:28,970
have an iPhone right I'm going to

2020
01:34:32,740 --> 01:34:30,860
do something here if I can I'm gonna do

2021
01:34:34,930 --> 01:34:32,750
it to you I'm gonna do with you okay

2022
01:34:39,130 --> 01:34:34,940
okay yeah you may know this in here I go

2023
01:34:42,190 --> 01:34:39,140
okay here we go wait turn anyone come on

2024
01:34:51,100 --> 01:34:42,200
sorry sorry sorry this is worker

2025
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:51,110
speaking hello lol that's what Siri says

2026
01:34:55,060 --> 01:34:54,050
that's insane well you know it's insane

2027
01:34:56,830 --> 01:34:55,070
and maybe some of the other people

2028
01:35:00,910 --> 01:34:56,840
listening but other people may not

2029
01:35:05,260 --> 01:35:00,920
hi I'm Clem you are you have arrived I

2030
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:05,270
mean why now why did this happen

2031
01:35:09,730 --> 01:35:07,850
why does Siri make a fire sign theater

2032
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:09,740
reference to an album called I think

2033
01:35:15,700 --> 01:35:12,410
we're all bozos on this bus which was an

2034
01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:15,710
album in 1971 I think it was where we

2035
01:35:19,210 --> 01:35:18,320
predicted the computer revolution where

2036
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:19,220
Clem

2037
01:35:25,150 --> 01:35:23,450
my character was a hacker basically who

2038
01:35:27,370 --> 01:35:25,160
had been fired from this thing called

2039
01:35:29,050 --> 01:35:27,380
the future fair and I go back to get my

2040
01:35:32,230 --> 01:35:29,060
revenge by breaking into the main

2041
01:35:34,300 --> 01:35:32,240
frickin computer and planting a virus

2042
01:35:36,790 --> 01:35:34,310
which is a question that can't answer

2043
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:36,800
and yes or no why does the porridge bird

2044
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:38,810
lays egg in the air okay

2045
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:41,210
and it brings the entire future fare

2046
01:35:45,610 --> 01:35:43,610
down it crashes the computer the

2047
01:35:48,580 --> 01:35:45,620
government computer and destroys the

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01:35:51,070 --> 01:35:48,590
illusion that the computer is created in

2049
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:51,080
this kind of Disneyland world that that

2050
01:35:54,970 --> 01:35:52,610
everything is going to be great in the

2051
01:35:58,120 --> 01:35:54,980
future and what the future is now where

2052
01:36:01,710 --> 01:35:58,130
does that come from though I mean I did

2053
01:36:04,450 --> 01:36:01,720
I did a bunch of Pixar movies okay and

2054
01:36:06,850 --> 01:36:04,460
monsters incorporated a bug's life Dave

2055
01:36:09,550 --> 01:36:06,860
Osmond also played a major role in a

2056
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:09,560
bug's life and we and I went when my

2057
01:36:13,300 --> 01:36:11,570
wife and I went up to San Francisco for

2058
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:13,310
the cast and crew screening and I met

2059
01:36:18,700 --> 01:36:16,010
Steve Jobs Steve Jobs had just bought

2060
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:18,710
into Pixar he's invested in Pixar's

2061
01:36:23,260 --> 01:36:20,960
right and he said to me I'm a big fan

2062
01:36:25,150 --> 01:36:23,270
and I said well you're much taller than

2063
01:36:27,070 --> 01:36:25,160
I am but I had no idea and and it turns

2064
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:27,080
out he was a fire head he was a fire

2065
01:36:33,610 --> 01:36:30,170
scientific and so we actually influenced

2066
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:33,620
him with this album and inspired him to

2067
01:36:38,980 --> 01:36:36,290
continue to develop the the home

2068
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:38,990
computer apparently and he put this into

2069
01:36:46,060 --> 01:36:42,800
his iPhone as an homage to the fire

2070
01:36:49,060 --> 01:36:46,070
Theater well not cool but that that's

2071
01:36:51,670 --> 01:36:49,070
fantastic I'm more interested in the

2072
01:36:54,670 --> 01:36:51,680
vision of the future and where that is

2073
01:36:57,610 --> 01:36:54,680
coming from that that's a pretty trippy

2074
01:36:59,860 --> 01:36:57,620
thing because it is it's out there it's

2075
01:37:03,340 --> 01:36:59,870
part of the universe but it went through

2076
01:37:05,290 --> 01:37:03,350
you and certainly it's it's almost

2077
01:37:08,290 --> 01:37:05,300
prophetic it's almost pretty clearly the

2078
01:37:11,110 --> 01:37:08,300
future well as you said in that little

2079
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:11,120
intro that's that you read which is you

2080
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:12,650
know some of the publicity material that

2081
01:37:16,690 --> 01:37:15,050
we sent forward the fireside theater has

2082
01:37:19,420 --> 01:37:16,700
done a lot of very scary predictive

2083
01:37:22,090 --> 01:37:19,430
stuff and it's remember we started

2084
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:22,100
making records in the late 60s and we've

2085
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:25,610
had a 50-year career but the the end of

2086
01:37:30,490 --> 01:37:27,890
our of creating a lot of in studio

2087
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:30,500
records happened oh maybe I don't know

2088
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:33,050
20 years ago or something like that and

2089
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:34,960
we predicted a lot of scary things

2090
01:37:40,180 --> 01:37:37,040
awaiting for the electrician or someone

2091
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:40,190
like him our first album was so named

2092
01:37:46,350 --> 01:37:43,730
because Peter Bergmann was in Amsterdam

2093
01:37:51,010 --> 01:37:46,360
getting high on the roof back in the

2094
01:37:53,740 --> 01:37:51,020
mid-60s excuse me and there was suddenly

2095
01:37:57,070 --> 01:37:53,750
a blackout in Amsterdam all the lights

2096
01:38:00,430 --> 01:37:57,080
went out and and he was going like wow

2097
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:00,440
they only like wow man and Bergman said

2098
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:02,330
well I guess we're waiting for the

2099
01:38:08,470 --> 01:38:04,970
electrician or someone know one of one

2100
01:38:10,030 --> 01:38:08,480
of his Dutch friends said I guess we're

2101
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:10,040
waiting for the neck trician and Bergman

2102
01:38:13,780 --> 01:38:12,290
said or someone like him and that became

2103
01:38:16,090 --> 01:38:13,790
the album title now what's interesting

2104
01:38:18,330 --> 01:38:16,100
about that on the second side of the

2105
01:38:21,250 --> 01:38:18,340
album we did a whole piece about

2106
01:38:24,940 --> 01:38:21,260
basically the downfall of the Soviet

2107
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:24,950
Union's control of the Eastern Bloc okay

2108
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:28,130
we did this this crazy kind of

2109
01:38:34,510 --> 01:38:31,130
Kafkaesque peace that ends with beat the

2110
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:34,520
reaper and and and and has a lot to do

2111
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:37,840
with revolution and overthrowing this

2112
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:40,850
dictatorial regime Soviet style digit

2113
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:45,040
oriole regime well who was the man in

2114
01:38:52,660 --> 01:38:49,970
Poland who started sulla darnest Michael

2115
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:52,670
Essien yeah yeah well his job you know

2116
01:38:55,169 --> 01:38:54,770
his job was he was a dock worker or

2117
01:38:58,669 --> 01:38:55,179
something

2118
01:39:00,560 --> 01:38:58,679
yeah he was a ship's electrician right

2119
01:39:04,979 --> 01:39:00,570
right right

2120
01:39:07,250 --> 01:39:04,989
yes that's right I mean okay maybe it's

2121
01:39:09,959 --> 01:39:07,260
a coincidence but it's a good one

2122
01:39:12,930 --> 01:39:09,969
with the other we did this this album

2123
01:39:16,110 --> 01:39:12,940
the bride of fire sign and in the

2124
01:39:18,209 --> 01:39:16,120
present fire sign one of the the plot

2125
01:39:20,669 --> 01:39:18,219
the major plot point was there was a mad

2126
01:39:22,590 --> 01:39:20,679
scientist who had a just like the

2127
01:39:24,419 --> 01:39:22,600
Frankenstein movie original Frankenstein

2128
01:39:26,490 --> 01:39:24,429
movie where they had the tower where the

2129
01:39:29,070 --> 01:39:26,500
electricity would would you know bring

2130
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:29,080
life to the monster right yes the same

2131
01:39:32,430 --> 01:39:30,489
thing that was parodied so brilliantly

2132
01:39:34,860 --> 01:39:32,440
in Young Frankenstein yes well in our

2133
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:34,870
little take on this there this mad

2134
01:39:40,020 --> 01:39:37,210
scientist was up at the top of a huge

2135
01:39:42,660 --> 01:39:40,030
tower in a city which we call fun fun

2136
01:39:45,149 --> 01:39:42,670
town and that tour at the end of this

2137
01:39:48,540 --> 01:39:45,159
album was struck by lightning and burned

2138
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:48,550
to the ground now when was that album

2139
01:39:57,149 --> 01:39:54,370
released 911 yeah see at what point do

2140
01:39:59,669 --> 01:39:57,159
you step back and go okay this this is

2141
01:40:01,950 --> 01:39:59,679
beyond coincidence right right this is

2142
01:40:04,620 --> 01:40:01,960
beyond coincidence and I've got a pretty

2143
01:40:06,180 --> 01:40:04,630
good track record here I mean what point

2144
01:40:08,729 --> 01:40:06,190
do you step back in and realize that

2145
01:40:10,830 --> 01:40:08,739
there's something else going on you got

2146
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:10,840
up because you brought up into her

2147
01:40:15,450 --> 01:40:13,210
dementia allottee you are you know and

2148
01:40:20,189 --> 01:40:15,460
the possibility parallel worlds or time

2149
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:20,199
shifts or precognition but this all

2150
01:40:25,470 --> 01:40:22,960
seems to be in or interwoven into your

2151
01:40:28,830 --> 01:40:25,480
life and career that something is going

2152
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:28,840
on that that's that's what so much of

2153
01:40:34,050 --> 01:40:31,449
the book is about I'll just give you one

2154
01:40:36,930 --> 01:40:34,060
more example and I hope people are

2155
01:40:38,580 --> 01:40:36,940
listening to this and going oh yeah I

2156
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:38,590
had something like that happened to me

2157
01:40:44,250 --> 01:40:41,050
and you know I did an interview with a

2158
01:40:47,310 --> 01:40:44,260
fellow named Bullis for another podcast

2159
01:40:50,729 --> 01:40:47,320
yes there were other podcasts I'm sorry

2160
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:50,739
no okay and and at the end of it we had

2161
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:52,810
a personal conversation and he told me

2162
01:40:58,200 --> 01:40:55,210
of this uncanny these experiences

2163
01:41:00,270 --> 01:40:58,210
happened to him where he I won't get

2164
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:00,280
into it but uncanny wonderful I want

2165
01:41:05,310 --> 01:41:02,050
people to share these experiences with

2166
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:05,320
you with you know any with me in some

2167
01:41:11,370 --> 01:41:08,719
form if they can but okay I want

2168
01:41:14,380 --> 01:41:11,380
in my career I was living with a

2169
01:41:17,770 --> 01:41:14,390
wonderful creative person named Diana do

2170
01:41:19,630 --> 01:41:17,780
who created electric clothing electric

2171
01:41:22,660 --> 01:41:19,640
dresses during the disco era

2172
01:41:26,170 --> 01:41:22,670
she had the translucent panels plastic

2173
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:26,180
panels in vinyl dresses and control on a

2174
01:41:31,630 --> 01:41:29,090
belt so that the lightly the panels

2175
01:41:34,750 --> 01:41:31,640
would light up and move around your body

2176
01:41:36,689 --> 01:41:34,760
in sync with the music you could adjust

2177
01:41:39,220 --> 01:41:36,699
it to be in sync with the music

2178
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:39,230
Diana dues electric dresses you can

2179
01:41:44,020 --> 01:41:42,050
google it you'll see and at the end of

2180
01:41:46,209 --> 01:41:44,030
when she stopped manufacturing these

2181
01:41:49,150 --> 01:41:46,219
Salvador Dali bought her entire

2182
01:41:51,220 --> 01:41:49,160
inventory okay now well why did I bring

2183
01:41:52,110 --> 01:41:51,230
her up oh let me think what was I

2184
01:41:54,490 --> 01:41:52,120
talking about

2185
01:41:57,820 --> 01:41:54,500
coincidence yes well that's not enough

2186
01:41:59,740 --> 01:41:57,830
oh yes this is it at a certain point I'm

2187
01:42:02,170 --> 01:41:59,750
back in New York I'm closing up my

2188
01:42:04,450 --> 01:42:02,180
apartment in the village I knew that I

2189
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:04,460
had a future with fire sign theater this

2190
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:06,290
was pretty early in fire sign theater

2191
01:42:10,270 --> 01:42:08,239
career we just kind of gotten started on

2192
01:42:11,950 --> 01:42:10,280
the radio and I was thinking you know

2193
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:11,960
something's gonna happen I have to I

2194
01:42:16,780 --> 01:42:14,449
have to be out in California I have to

2195
01:42:19,689 --> 01:42:16,790
leave my my New York life my broadway

2196
01:42:23,470 --> 01:42:19,699
life my off-broadway life behind my soul

2197
01:42:26,620 --> 01:42:23,480
barber lives behind and i saw with diane

2198
01:42:28,959 --> 01:42:26,630
and at this one particular day i just

2199
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:28,969
said to myself it's over this this

2200
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:31,760
affair is over something has got to

2201
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:34,850
happen and i went downstairs and we were

2202
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:36,290
on the living in the East Village

2203
01:42:40,990 --> 01:42:38,960
I said Danna you know I've got him we've

2204
01:42:45,670 --> 01:42:41,000
got to move on and she said I agree

2205
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:45,680
burning phone rings ring hello Phil it's

2206
01:42:49,630 --> 01:42:46,250
for you

2207
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:49,640
hi who's this hi Phil its Pete we're

2208
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:51,770
going to be doing our first record it's

2209
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:53,360
called waiting for the electrician or

2210
01:42:58,689 --> 01:42:55,370
someone like him at Columbia and there's

2211
01:43:01,000 --> 01:42:58,699
a ticket waiting for you at Black Rock

2212
01:43:04,540 --> 01:43:01,010
in New York go get it and fly out here

2213
01:43:10,930 --> 01:43:04,550
as soon as you can just like that just

2214
01:43:13,510 --> 01:43:10,940
like that that's the truth yeah that's

2215
01:43:16,270 --> 01:43:13,520
and and there are other instances in the

2216
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:16,280
book where that kind of thing

2217
01:43:22,810 --> 01:43:20,570
also happen I met Peter Bergmann

2218
01:43:24,670 --> 01:43:22,820
it's this is not chronological do you

2219
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:24,680
mind if I tell them right now let's go

2220
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:28,960
that's all how far st. theatre began I

2221
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:33,770
came out I came out to LA San Jose I

2222
01:43:38,650 --> 01:43:36,290
want a theatre World Award for called

2223
01:43:40,570 --> 01:43:38,660
the amorous flea it was a musical based

2224
01:43:42,610 --> 01:43:40,580
on warrior school for wives we did it

2225
01:43:43,390 --> 01:43:42,620
the York Playhouse in New York was so

2226
01:43:45,310 --> 01:43:43,400
successful

2227
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:45,320
come we got a gig at the Las Palmas

2228
01:43:50,230 --> 01:43:47,840
Theatre in Hollywood I'd never been

2229
01:43:55,180 --> 01:43:50,240
there before so but I flew out and I was

2230
01:43:58,180 --> 01:43:55,190
doing this wonderful musical and and and

2231
01:44:00,970 --> 01:43:58,190
the award by the way presentation in New

2232
01:44:04,570 --> 01:44:00,980
York oh he was awarded the presentation

2233
01:44:08,410 --> 01:44:04,580
by Paul Newman who I used to watch

2234
01:44:11,890 --> 01:44:08,420
drinking beer with his wife when I was

2235
01:44:14,830 --> 01:44:11,900
dating a girl named Nadia leisure it in

2236
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:14,840
the in the village and her apartment

2237
01:44:21,610 --> 01:44:18,290
overlooked their backyard stoop this

2238
01:44:24,130 --> 01:44:21,620
please go figure so I go and I do the

2239
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:24,140
show I get a Broadway musical I fly back

2240
01:44:28,660 --> 01:44:25,970
into the Broadway musical time for

2241
01:44:30,940 --> 01:44:28,670
singing I then the understudy Brandon de

2242
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:30,950
Wilda who was you know Shane come back

2243
01:44:35,020 --> 01:44:33,530
Shane the kid actor Brandon de Wilda in

2244
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:35,030
a play called a race of hairy men by

2245
01:44:39,370 --> 01:44:37,130
Evan hunter didn't have a very good run

2246
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:39,380
but Brandon and I bonded together

2247
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:42,170
turns out he's married one of my

2248
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:45,170
classmates he'd buried the sister of one

2249
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:49,130
of my classmates at Yale Susan and we

2250
01:44:54,460 --> 01:44:51,920
became very close friends and he decides

2251
01:44:56,940 --> 01:44:54,470
to drive out to LA to get back in the

2252
01:44:59,710 --> 01:44:56,950
movies so we drove out to LA together

2253
01:45:02,200 --> 01:44:59,720
there we connected up with Peter Fonda I

2254
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:02,210
can't remember exactly why he knew Peter

2255
01:45:07,330 --> 01:45:04,130
I guess and we started hanging out

2256
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:07,340
together like three musketeers and we

2257
01:45:11,140 --> 01:45:09,170
Peter was doing research for a little

2258
01:45:12,970 --> 01:45:11,150
movie idea that he had called Captain

2259
01:45:14,590 --> 01:45:12,980
America but which his name of his

2260
01:45:16,150 --> 01:45:14,600
character but he couldn't get the rights

2261
01:45:18,670 --> 01:45:16,160
to use that title because of Marvel

2262
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:18,680
Comics or women owned it so he changed

2263
01:45:22,690 --> 01:45:20,810
it to Easy Rider right which was you

2264
01:45:25,630 --> 01:45:22,700
know which means a guy who's living off

2265
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:25,640
of a prostitute okay Terry southern gave

2266
01:45:31,390 --> 01:45:28,850
him that that title that name so he's

2267
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:31,400
researching the youth movement because

2268
01:45:34,510 --> 01:45:32,570
remember part of the movie was about

2269
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:34,520
visiting a communist

2270
01:45:40,090 --> 01:45:36,800
there's a one night Brandon and Peter

2271
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:40,100
and I go to the Sunset Strip because

2272
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:41,930
they're having a demonstration against a

2273
01:45:46,780 --> 01:45:44,330
curfew right that they wanted to impose

2274
01:45:48,460 --> 01:45:46,790
on young probably young people to

2275
01:45:50,770 --> 01:45:48,470
suppress demonstrations against the

2276
01:45:52,420 --> 01:45:50,780
Vietnamese war and stop public

2277
01:45:52,690 --> 01:45:52,430
pot-smoking in the street no what have

2278
01:45:56,140 --> 01:45:52,700
you

2279
01:45:58,690 --> 01:45:56,150
and during that demonstration where the

2280
01:46:02,140 --> 01:45:58,700
the police were on one side of the

2281
01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:02,150
street and the sheriff on the other they

2282
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:04,490
did a classic pincer movement to force a

2283
01:46:07,870 --> 01:46:05,930
riot and then they started beating

2284
01:46:10,060 --> 01:46:07,880
people up and everything this is run son

2285
01:46:11,980 --> 01:46:10,070
this is on Sunset Boulevard right yeah

2286
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:11,990
it was it became known as the Sunset

2287
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:15,650
Strip riot that's right okay during that

2288
01:46:20,980 --> 01:46:19,760
that particular thing I sat down we did

2289
01:46:22,270 --> 01:46:20,990
kind of like sit down we're not we're

2290
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:22,280
not moving we shall not be moved

2291
01:46:27,130 --> 01:46:24,770
i sat down an open copy of the LA Free

2292
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:27,140
Press I pulled out from under my ass I

2293
01:46:33,130 --> 01:46:30,560
had sat down on Peter Bergman's face I'd

2294
01:46:35,230 --> 01:46:33,140
sat down on a picture of my classmate at

2295
01:46:36,970 --> 01:46:35,240
Yale Peter Bergmann who'd written the

2296
01:46:39,700 --> 01:46:36,980
lyrics for two musicals by Austin

2297
01:46:42,580 --> 01:46:39,710
Pendleton but I'd start him booth is

2298
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:42,590
back in town and Tom Jones and there's

2299
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:45,650
Peter Bergmann and it said KPFK newsman

2300
01:46:51,250 --> 01:46:48,650
Peter Bergmann interviews returning War

2301
01:46:52,990 --> 01:46:51,260
veterans Vietnam War veterans so I said

2302
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:53,000
well I got I've got to get in touch with

2303
01:46:58,570 --> 01:46:56,690
Peter so at the end of this riot I was

2304
01:47:00,430 --> 01:46:58,580
working for the LA free pret nope army

2305
01:47:02,470 --> 01:47:00,440
for the East Village other an

2306
01:47:04,150 --> 01:47:02,480
alternative newspaper at the time and I

2307
01:47:06,730 --> 01:47:04,160
held up my press card and the cops just

2308
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:06,740
float around me but Peter got beaten up

2309
01:47:11,050 --> 01:47:09,050
and got arrested or vice versa I can't

2310
01:47:13,810 --> 01:47:11,060
remember and for the next morning I

2311
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:13,820
called up Peter Bergmann and he said oh

2312
01:47:17,470 --> 01:47:15,770
yeah I'm the Wizard of Oz so what are

2313
01:47:20,050 --> 01:47:17,480
you talking about so I do a show called

2314
01:47:22,330 --> 01:47:20,060
Radio Free Oz it's a counterculture talk

2315
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:22,340
show I'm on you know from 9:00 to 12:00

2316
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:24,050
why don't you come and join us

2317
01:47:28,630 --> 01:47:25,850
that was an item at the rest of the

2318
01:47:31,330 --> 01:47:28,640
fireside theater that is that is that's

2319
01:47:34,750 --> 01:47:31,340
an incredible story but what's even what

2320
01:47:37,810 --> 01:47:34,760
note what's even stranger is your career

2321
01:47:41,260 --> 01:47:37,820
with KPFK that entire crop but all of it

2322
01:47:46,330 --> 01:47:41,270
stemmed off of what happened at the at

2323
01:47:47,770 --> 01:47:46,340
the Sunset Strip or Brice and so at what

2324
01:47:49,210 --> 01:47:47,780
point do you just throw

2325
01:47:50,830 --> 01:47:49,220
when the towel on your hook you know it

2326
01:47:53,290 --> 01:47:50,840
had need to start reacting to these

2327
01:47:56,860 --> 01:47:53,300
things that are happening to me yeah

2328
01:47:59,650 --> 01:47:56,870
well you know we do we do react to these

2329
01:48:02,050 --> 01:47:59,660
things you can react negatively or you

2330
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:02,060
can react positively you can embrace it

2331
01:48:08,740 --> 01:48:05,170
and accept it or you can deny it right

2332
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:08,750
you know I mean I'm sure if we got into

2333
01:48:14,140 --> 01:48:11,570
a private conversation you could tell me

2334
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:14,150
stories about things that led you to

2335
01:48:19,540 --> 01:48:17,450
where you are right now with with this

2336
01:48:22,510 --> 01:48:19,550
your fire your listenership and your

2337
01:48:24,820 --> 01:48:22,520
fascination with the UF ology which

2338
01:48:26,890 --> 01:48:24,830
began early in your life right right but

2339
01:48:30,010 --> 01:48:26,900
a lot of it happened right on the Sunset

2340
01:48:31,570 --> 01:48:30,020
Strip about 15 years later which is even

2341
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:31,580
stranger and I'll tell you something

2342
01:48:34,300 --> 01:48:31,970
else

2343
01:48:38,130 --> 01:48:34,310
I have so many friends and co-workers

2344
01:48:40,990 --> 01:48:38,140
that work over at KPFK now and and and

2345
01:48:42,970 --> 01:48:41,000
my call screener this weekend over a

2346
01:48:46,690 --> 01:48:42,980
Coast you know I'm over at Coast hosting

2347
01:48:48,490 --> 01:48:46,700
yeah and and she works over at KPFK and

2348
01:48:51,550 --> 01:48:48,500
I said you know guess who I have on the

2349
01:48:54,130 --> 01:48:51,560
show this week and she was like man you

2350
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:54,140
know so life is full of this kind of

2351
01:49:00,220 --> 01:48:57,440
stuff and you can ignore it you can it

2352
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:00,230
is and it and it really when I say the

2353
01:49:07,180 --> 01:49:02,210
invisible world what I'm talking about

2354
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:07,190
are these these connections these

2355
01:49:11,650 --> 01:49:09,170
they're invisible connections but

2356
01:49:14,620 --> 01:49:11,660
they're real you know and some of them

2357
01:49:16,510 --> 01:49:14,630
are are merely coincidental some of them

2358
01:49:18,220 --> 01:49:16,520
are spiritual some of them have to do

2359
01:49:22,090 --> 01:49:18,230
with the work you've created what you

2360
01:49:26,220 --> 01:49:22,100
sent out but but it's a network of minds

2361
01:49:30,780 --> 01:49:26,230
and spirits and and entities that are

2362
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:30,790
somehow or another part of this magical

2363
01:49:35,650 --> 01:49:33,290
network that exists in the in the

2364
01:49:38,290 --> 01:49:35,660
universe dimension this is this is what

2365
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:38,300
dimensionality is all about now let me

2366
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:40,250
tell you something since you we've we

2367
01:49:44,410 --> 01:49:43,040
talked about the aliens I'm going to

2368
01:49:46,090 --> 01:49:44,420
tell you one of the things that Chiron

2369
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:46,100
said to me and I want you to tell me if

2370
01:49:51,210 --> 01:49:48,650
you've heard anything similar to this go

2371
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:51,220
because I think about this occasionally

2372
01:49:57,760 --> 01:49:53,930
that particular evening we we talked

2373
01:50:00,400 --> 01:49:57,770
very very seriously about what what

2374
01:50:01,750 --> 01:50:00,410
these what this whole alien connection

2375
01:50:05,740 --> 01:50:01,760
thing is about

2376
01:50:08,380 --> 01:50:05,750
and and why it is happening and what is

2377
01:50:11,890 --> 01:50:08,390
at stake and one of the things that she

2378
01:50:16,150 --> 01:50:11,900
told me from her experiences was that

2379
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:16,160
there are two alien forms two races that

2380
01:50:21,130 --> 01:50:19,760
have been making contact now here they

2381
01:50:24,220 --> 01:50:21,140
are and you tell me if this sounds may

2382
01:50:26,410 --> 01:50:24,230
be one of the tall spindly ones and the

2383
01:50:30,130 --> 01:50:26,420
other are the little childish gray ones

2384
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:30,140
mm-hmm and she said the little childish

2385
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:32,960
gray ones are like us they believe in

2386
01:50:42,610 --> 01:50:37,370
the universality of all being and they

2387
01:50:45,910 --> 01:50:42,620
believe in the power of love if you will

2388
01:50:49,930 --> 01:50:45,920
the force that that keeps the universe

2389
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:49,940
humming that keeps us creating that that

2390
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:52,880
causes physical mating and union and the

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01:50:59,410 --> 01:50:56,690
proper propagation of our beings of our

2392
01:51:01,870 --> 01:50:59,420
spirits our souls of our Xterra are

2393
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:01,880
experiments in this dimension the others

2394
01:51:08,590 --> 01:51:04,480
the tall spindly ones are the fascists

2395
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:08,600
they actually employ other alien races

2396
01:51:16,270 --> 01:51:13,010
in their ships and in their their

2397
01:51:18,430 --> 01:51:16,280
societies and they believe in the master

2398
01:51:23,020 --> 01:51:18,440
race they are what what you would call

2399
01:51:26,410 --> 01:51:23,030
the the Illuminati right now when you

2400
01:51:28,630 --> 01:51:26,420
think about this again we think of it

2401
01:51:30,850 --> 01:51:28,640
perhaps as a metaphor no I'm not saying

2402
01:51:34,180 --> 01:51:30,860
this right if that is true

2403
01:51:37,180 --> 01:51:34,190
okay then it means that these forces of

2404
01:51:40,620 --> 01:51:37,190
what we would call good and evil but

2405
01:51:43,870 --> 01:51:40,630
that's being you know object subjective

2406
01:51:46,860 --> 01:51:43,880
objectively these particular forces of

2407
01:51:50,590 --> 01:51:46,870
ways of thinking and being okay and

2408
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:50,600
managing the world won't one's own world

2409
01:51:59,470 --> 01:51:54,970
and therefore the universe are kind of

2410
01:52:02,470 --> 01:51:59,480
universal that they may be where we get

2411
01:52:06,250 --> 01:52:02,480
the source of Satan and God and good and

2412
01:52:08,500 --> 01:52:06,260
evil and all of those metaphors that we

2413
01:52:10,690 --> 01:52:08,510
live with in this dimension in our

2414
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:10,700
translation of these perceptions into

2415
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:12,170
our own dimensional realities and the

2416
01:52:16,570 --> 01:52:14,330
way that we function and

2417
01:52:20,290 --> 01:52:16,580
interact with one another and in fact

2418
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:20,300
with universe with God I think yeah out

2419
01:52:24,610 --> 01:52:22,250
of the you know a thousand plus

2420
01:52:27,970 --> 01:52:24,620
interviews that I have done with various

2421
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:27,980
contact he's researchers authors and so

2422
01:52:33,310 --> 01:52:28,370
forth

2423
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:33,320
that our information our knowledge which

2424
01:52:37,660 --> 01:52:35,330
is growing every single day we have the

2425
01:52:40,330 --> 01:52:37,670
internet and and he in experiments and

2426
01:52:42,610 --> 01:52:40,340
so forth that looking back throughout

2427
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:42,620
history going back thousands and

2428
01:52:47,020 --> 01:52:45,650
thousands of years that that metaphor

2429
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:47,030
which is the wrong way to put it but

2430
01:52:53,530 --> 01:52:50,930
it's an accurate way to say it is the

2431
01:52:55,480 --> 01:52:53,540
only answer that they had five thousand

2432
01:52:57,220 --> 01:52:55,490
years ago for what was going on so let's

2433
01:53:00,220 --> 01:52:57,230
make it angels and demons let's make it

2434
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:00,230
light and dark let's make it fire and

2435
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:03,290
and and warmth you know it's it's it's

2436
01:53:08,020 --> 01:53:06,170
the only answer to the masses five

2437
01:53:10,690 --> 01:53:08,030
thousand years ago that would make sense

2438
01:53:12,550 --> 01:53:10,700
to them right that makes sense to me yet

2439
01:53:14,770 --> 01:53:12,560
on the other hand the principles of this

2440
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:14,780
dimension under this universal

2441
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:17,930
manifestation are yin and yang okay

2442
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:19,130
continue that way

2443
01:53:25,480 --> 01:53:22,330
well yeah male and female dark and light

2444
01:53:28,620 --> 01:53:25,490
positive negative the universe yes the

2445
01:53:31,420 --> 01:53:28,630
black hole versus you know the the the

2446
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:31,430
bursting supernova right you know it

2447
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:36,730
seems to be principles of this bizarre

2448
01:53:42,730 --> 01:53:39,530
expression that we are a teeny tiny

2449
01:53:46,690 --> 01:53:42,740
little infinitesimal part of but also a

2450
01:53:49,210 --> 01:53:46,700
huge part of right macro and micro yes

2451
01:53:53,620 --> 01:53:49,220
it seems to be which is why I call it a

2452
01:53:57,160 --> 01:53:53,630
metaphor because it is it's you cannot

2453
01:54:01,530 --> 01:53:57,170
really wrap your head around it but you

2454
01:54:07,930 --> 01:54:01,540
cannot also deny that it seems to be a

2455
01:54:10,690 --> 01:54:07,940
pervasive truth in the struggle to find

2456
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:10,700
meaning in existence or to become you

2457
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:14,210
know part of an evolving knowledge of

2458
01:54:19,090 --> 01:54:16,690
existence in this particular

2459
01:54:20,890 --> 01:54:19,100
manifestation of being because I do

2460
01:54:22,630 --> 01:54:20,900
believe that there are many other

2461
01:54:24,430 --> 01:54:22,640
manifestations of being and there might

2462
01:54:27,730 --> 01:54:24,440
be manifestations of being where all is

2463
01:54:30,430 --> 01:54:27,740
pure light have you hello have you

2464
01:54:33,370 --> 01:54:30,440
direct contact have you asked one of

2465
01:54:35,950 --> 01:54:33,380
these beings these questions the only

2466
01:54:38,170 --> 01:54:35,960
contact that I can honestly and believe

2467
01:54:41,950 --> 01:54:38,180
me I have friends who can could tell you

2468
01:54:46,510 --> 01:54:41,960
stories about what they believe was

2469
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:46,520
actual contact was lost hours and you

2470
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:49,490
know and real contact with aliens I have

2471
01:54:52,780 --> 01:54:50,770
not had these kinds of experiences

2472
01:54:54,700 --> 01:54:52,790
they're all been these secondary

2473
01:54:58,960 --> 01:54:54,710
experiences I've talked about right but

2474
01:55:02,260 --> 01:54:58,970
I've had I had at one point a dream that

2475
01:55:04,450 --> 01:55:02,270
stayed with me to this day I can see it

2476
01:55:07,740 --> 01:55:04,460
right now in my mind and it was during

2477
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:07,750
the time that I was really beginning to

2478
01:55:14,770 --> 01:55:12,650
to talk to Sharon and to find these they

2479
01:55:18,580 --> 01:55:14,780
where my curiosity about these things

2480
01:55:20,590 --> 01:55:18,590
was beginning to be satisfied by stories

2481
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:20,600
personal stories of things in that dream

2482
01:55:28,510 --> 01:55:25,970
I was aboard an alien vessel and I was

2483
01:55:32,350 --> 01:55:28,520
talking to one of the commanders of the

2484
01:55:36,030 --> 01:55:32,360
vessel and at certain and he looked

2485
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:36,040
human humanoid and at a certain point I

2486
01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:39,290
thought to myself well this is this is

2487
01:55:44,440 --> 01:55:41,840
manifesting he's manifesting it

2488
01:55:46,450 --> 01:55:44,450
telepathically an image of what I'd like

2489
01:55:49,690 --> 01:55:46,460
to see he's controlling my perception

2490
01:55:53,710 --> 01:55:49,700
and once I ever said that he became an

2491
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:53,720
alien creature he just changed into an

2492
01:55:59,170 --> 01:55:56,000
alien creature and he acknowledged that

2493
01:56:02,200 --> 01:55:59,180
that was what was going on I trust my

2494
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:02,210
dreams I trust them I trust them and

2495
01:56:07,810 --> 01:56:05,330
there's always a message there now with

2496
01:56:10,900 --> 01:56:07,820
something like that which is vivid and

2497
01:56:12,910 --> 01:56:10,910
significant are you comfortable in

2498
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:12,920
thinking that maybe this actually

2499
01:56:20,410 --> 01:56:17,090
happened well you see I can't it

2500
01:56:22,990 --> 01:56:20,420
happened to me in my consciousness right

2501
01:56:25,060 --> 01:56:23,000
but I but it did not it is not that it

2502
01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:25,070
did not happen to me to my knowledge

2503
01:56:28,780 --> 01:56:26,930
physically I'm gonna give you another

2504
01:56:31,510 --> 01:56:28,790
example of that I started to tell you

2505
01:56:33,580 --> 01:56:31,520
about one of the hosts I talked to who

2506
01:56:35,500 --> 01:56:33,590
shared with me and experienced it he had

2507
01:56:37,090 --> 01:56:35,510
here's his experience see if this

2508
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:37,100
resonates with you or anybody else okay

2509
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:39,530
we've got 60 seconds Phil okay I can

2510
01:56:43,930 --> 01:56:41,570
tell it quickly okay he had a dream

2511
01:56:45,399 --> 01:56:43,940
and his grandfather died he had a dream

2512
01:56:46,689 --> 01:56:45,409
that night that he went down to the

2513
01:56:48,550 --> 01:56:46,699
kitchen to get a glass of water and

2514
01:56:50,649 --> 01:56:48,560
there was his grandfather standing in

2515
01:56:53,050 --> 01:56:50,659
the golden robe and he acknowledged him

2516
01:56:54,220 --> 01:56:53,060
went back to bed and then woke up the

2517
01:56:55,750 --> 01:56:54,230
next morning and thought why I must have

2518
01:56:57,879 --> 01:56:55,760
dreamed this and there was a glass of

2519
01:56:59,890 --> 01:56:57,889
water by his bedside table he goes

2520
01:57:01,750 --> 01:56:59,900
downstairs and he tells this story or

2521
01:57:02,919 --> 01:57:01,760
starts to tell this story to his mother

2522
01:57:04,780 --> 01:57:02,929
and his mother said oh I had a dream

2523
01:57:06,430 --> 01:57:04,790
last night I had a dream last night

2524
01:57:16,419 --> 01:57:06,440
I dream that your grandfather came back

2525
01:57:18,399 --> 01:57:16,429
and he was wearing a golden bathrobe no

2526
01:57:21,790 --> 01:57:18,409
punch line there that's just that's just

2527
01:57:23,979 --> 01:57:21,800
laying it straight out I I don't

2528
01:57:26,439 --> 01:57:23,989
question anything like that anymore I

2529
01:57:28,209 --> 01:57:26,449
don't and when we come back we're gonna

2530
01:57:31,209 --> 01:57:28,219
take a break right here but when we come

2531
01:57:33,370 --> 01:57:31,219
back actually want to explore that side

2532
01:57:35,470 --> 01:57:33,380
of things in that the world used to be

2533
01:57:38,350 --> 01:57:35,480
different we used to be the tinfoil hat

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01:57:39,550 --> 01:57:38,360
crowd now we're the normal ones Phil and

2535
01:57:44,110 --> 01:57:39,560
we'll talk about the head right after

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the mental guard on Jimmy Church

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really love ponies I'm serious I

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on the game changer radio network and K

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[Music]

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02:01:57,390 --> 02:01:55,029
all right welcome back

2626
02:01:59,859 --> 02:01:57,400
fade to black I'm your host Jimmy Church

2627
02:02:02,799 --> 02:01:59,869
once again you can follow me on twitter

2628
02:02:04,959 --> 02:02:02,809
twitter i have not seen litter like this

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02:02:05,770 --> 02:02:04,969
and i know i save every night it's out

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of control

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follow us at a church radio and you can

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follow Phil at Phil Proctor our guest

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tonight Phil Proctor fireside theater

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the new book is where's my fortune

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cookie and we're talking about some of

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02:02:23,319 --> 02:02:21,590
the stuff in the book but more it's more

2638
02:02:25,779 --> 02:02:23,329
about the life and times of Phil and I'm

2639
02:02:27,669 --> 02:02:25,789
really enjoying the conversation but but

2640
02:02:30,459 --> 02:02:27,679
Phil I wanted to go back to something

2641
02:02:33,399 --> 02:02:30,469
that you said earlier about podcast this

2642
02:02:36,459 --> 02:02:33,409
this show is actually this is a live

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radio show and and we syndicate this out

2644
02:02:41,799 --> 02:02:38,809
the podcast happens tomorrow it's just

2645
02:02:44,229 --> 02:02:41,809
you know the archive of the show but but

2646
02:02:46,120 --> 02:02:44,239
what this does now this is the new

2647
02:02:49,629 --> 02:02:46,130
medium just like you guys were breaking

2648
02:02:52,330 --> 02:02:49,639
ground you know and and and creating

2649
02:02:55,540 --> 02:02:52,340
your own universe around you and then

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the world changed this is you know the

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new medium today and it's really great

2652
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but this is this is the point we you I

2653
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was comfortable in our weirdness my my

2654
02:03:13,540 --> 02:03:09,829
audience is weirdness and our little

2655
02:03:15,759 --> 02:03:13,550
thing and over the years something

2656
02:03:18,640 --> 02:03:15,769
started to change everything that I

2657
02:03:20,890 --> 02:03:18,650
talked about years ago fake news be

2658
02:03:23,890 --> 02:03:20,900
careful of the media the conspiracies of

2659
02:03:27,370 --> 02:03:23,900
the world and that life is not what we

2660
02:03:32,859 --> 02:03:27,380
think it is well now we have been proven

2661
02:03:36,759 --> 02:03:32,869
right so now we're not the odd man out

2662
02:03:38,859 --> 02:03:36,769
right we're not no we we are now normal

2663
02:03:41,949 --> 02:03:38,869
and the rest of the world out there that

2664
02:03:42,549 --> 02:03:41,959
was safe and they thought that we you

2665
02:03:45,580 --> 02:03:42,559
know what I mean

2666
02:03:46,949 --> 02:03:45,590
it's now fit are you comfortable in that

2667
02:03:50,109 --> 02:03:46,959
because it's happening it's happening

2668
02:03:52,060 --> 02:03:50,119
you know I I kind of like being the

2669
02:03:57,750 --> 02:03:52,070
weird one now I'm the normal guy

2670
02:04:01,209 --> 02:03:57,760
I think Jimmy that we're all pod people

2671
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:01,219
okay we're bursting out of our cocoons

2672
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:05,090
now and manifesting ourselves

2673
02:04:10,870 --> 02:04:07,010
the fire sign Theatre asked a very

2674
02:04:12,729 --> 02:04:10,880
important question in our second album

2675
02:04:16,240 --> 02:04:12,739
knowing dwarf don't crush that dwarf and

2676
02:04:19,810 --> 02:04:16,250
me the pliers and that question was what

2677
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:19,820
is reality okay right are two of our

2678
02:04:24,640 --> 02:04:21,530
characters Pico and Alvarado

2679
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:24,650
I think poser what is reality man and

2680
02:04:30,939 --> 02:04:27,050
when you look at the world today and I'm

2681
02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:30,949
sitting in Washington ac/dc now with

2682
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:36,650
with a with a surreal president a

2683
02:04:43,510 --> 02:04:40,610
president who who creates daily hourly

2684
02:04:47,620 --> 02:04:43,520
minute by minute his own reality right

2685
02:04:50,979 --> 02:04:47,630
he he's a reality show star because he

2686
02:04:55,060 --> 02:04:50,989
he creates his own reality and then

2687
02:04:58,089 --> 02:04:55,070
expects us to kind of accept it see and

2688
02:05:01,919 --> 02:04:58,099
I think that we as you pointed out we've

2689
02:05:05,439 --> 02:05:01,929
reached a certain point of clarity in in

2690
02:05:09,549 --> 02:05:05,449
evolution well evolution in in the slow

2691
02:05:13,390 --> 02:05:09,559
but steady revolutionary evolutionary

2692
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:13,400
track that we take where this kind of I

2693
02:05:18,310 --> 02:05:15,530
think a tipping point I think we're

2694
02:05:21,549 --> 02:05:18,320
reaching a tipping point okay and I

2695
02:05:24,189 --> 02:05:21,559
think that even if you look at the news

2696
02:05:26,379 --> 02:05:24,199
of the day which I'm getting from the

2697
02:05:29,620 --> 02:05:26,389
Washington Post here in Washington DC

2698
02:05:33,640 --> 02:05:29,630
very well and right and you see that

2699
02:05:38,020 --> 02:05:33,650
even even the even the party that this

2700
02:05:40,959 --> 02:05:38,030
man supposedly represents okay but

2701
02:05:42,939 --> 02:05:40,969
doesn't embrace obviously is is

2702
02:05:47,500 --> 02:05:42,949
beginning to find it more and were

2703
02:05:51,459 --> 02:05:47,510
difficult to hold on to their perception

2704
02:05:54,700 --> 02:05:51,469
of their relationship to the reality

2705
02:05:59,169 --> 02:05:54,710
that this guy is manifesting everyday

2706
02:06:04,209 --> 02:05:59,179
because it's so unreal why and we wanted

2707
02:06:08,529 --> 02:06:04,219
that yeah we want it we want yes and and

2708
02:06:11,859 --> 02:06:08,539
and not so much trouble when I when I

2709
02:06:14,290 --> 02:06:11,869
say we wanted that we wanted pot to be

2710
02:06:16,750 --> 02:06:14,300
legalized we wanted to be able to dress

2711
02:06:19,720 --> 02:06:16,760
and act and have free and

2712
02:06:22,660 --> 02:06:19,730
recognized right and George Orwell and

2713
02:06:24,009 --> 02:06:22,670
the Ministry of Truth and we wanted all

2714
02:06:25,899 --> 02:06:24,019
of these things and now we have a

2715
02:06:28,899 --> 02:06:25,909
president that talks about the deep

2716
02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:28,909
state and fake news holy crap

2717
02:06:32,859 --> 02:06:30,650
well this is what we wanted and now

2718
02:06:37,240 --> 02:06:32,869
suddenly I'm not really comfortable with

2719
02:06:41,049 --> 02:06:37,250
it okay okay now yeah this is complex

2720
02:06:44,169 --> 02:06:41,059
you're you're this is this is painting

2721
02:06:46,629 --> 02:06:44,179
to black for sure okay because really

2722
02:06:49,600 --> 02:06:46,639
what's going on is you've got a war

2723
02:06:53,770 --> 02:06:49,610
between the past and the present going

2724
02:06:57,580 --> 02:06:53,780
on and the present is the future and and

2725
02:07:00,069 --> 02:06:57,590
the there there are the forces of

2726
02:07:03,279 --> 02:07:00,079
darkness are the forces that want to

2727
02:07:06,189 --> 02:07:03,289
stay in the dark ages that want to in

2728
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:06,199
fact go back to the dark ages they want

2729
02:07:11,770 --> 02:07:08,570
to roll all the things you're talking

2730
02:07:12,819 --> 02:07:11,780
about back they want to deny those

2731
02:07:16,029 --> 02:07:12,829
things okay

2732
02:07:18,640 --> 02:07:16,039
negate those things they want to pretend

2733
02:07:21,189 --> 02:07:18,650
that they didn't happen and they are not

2734
02:07:24,100 --> 02:07:21,199
happening and by doing that they want to

2735
02:07:27,009 --> 02:07:24,110
say it will not happen it will never

2736
02:07:31,240 --> 02:07:27,019
happen it isn't going to happen but it's

2737
02:07:34,209 --> 02:07:31,250
happened you see yes so so in a sense if

2738
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:34,219
people who look this is the way we look

2739
02:07:39,459 --> 02:07:36,530
at liberal and conservative thought if

2740
02:07:42,790 --> 02:07:39,469
you will a liberal thought basically in

2741
02:07:45,970 --> 02:07:42,800
it's unopposed sense and it's non

2742
02:07:48,700 --> 02:07:45,980
political sense is the desire to evolve

2743
02:07:52,149 --> 02:07:48,710
the desire to take chances the desire to

2744
02:07:54,580 --> 02:07:52,159
seek good the desire to help others the

2745
02:07:58,149 --> 02:07:54,590
desire to open one's mind to new ideas

2746
02:08:00,399 --> 02:07:58,159
and then and not be afraid to manifest

2747
02:08:04,509 --> 02:08:00,409
them to try them and and the

2748
02:08:06,729 --> 02:08:04,519
conservative idea is not so fast

2749
02:08:09,220 --> 02:08:06,739
let's it would they work pretty well the

2750
02:08:09,759 --> 02:08:09,230
way we had where I don't don't mess with

2751
02:08:18,009 --> 02:08:09,769
it

2752
02:08:19,660 --> 02:08:18,019
when we controlled everything and we

2753
02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:19,670
knew it and so you've got these two

2754
02:08:24,490 --> 02:08:22,400
opposing forces the only way that the

2755
02:08:26,200 --> 02:08:24,500
world evolves is through compromise and

2756
02:08:28,509 --> 02:08:26,210
cooperation sorry

2757
02:08:30,510 --> 02:08:28,519
that's the only way it evolves the world

2758
02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:30,520
can manifest

2759
02:08:36,750 --> 02:08:33,280
through conflict we can blow each other

2760
02:08:38,700 --> 02:08:36,760
up sure you could do that war is you

2761
02:08:40,260 --> 02:08:38,710
know obviously something that that it

2762
02:08:42,450 --> 02:08:40,270
seems necessary to the human condition

2763
02:08:44,820 --> 02:08:42,460
because we can't compromise we don't

2764
02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:44,830
seem to be able to focus our energies

2765
02:08:51,120 --> 02:08:46,960
and our our spirits and our hearts and

2766
02:08:54,240 --> 02:08:51,130
our minds towards solving conflict human

2767
02:08:56,460 --> 02:08:54,250
conflict and our poor country is being

2768
02:08:59,580 --> 02:08:56,470
torn asunder because we have a leader

2769
02:09:03,330 --> 02:08:59,590
now who thrives on conflict he's a drama

2770
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:03,340
- he's a drama queen he is a he because

2771
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:06,010
he's a reality show guy I was the

2772
02:09:10,980 --> 02:09:08,170
announcer on Big Brother for three years

2773
02:09:15,120 --> 02:09:10,990
previously on Big Brother three okay I

2774
02:09:17,880 --> 02:09:15,130
had your voice then right and they

2775
02:09:20,540 --> 02:09:17,890
thrive on conflict it's it's a game

2776
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:20,550
there's a winner and a loser right right

2777
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:23,530
and that's where he comes from and

2778
02:09:27,810 --> 02:09:26,050
that's his mindset he should never have

2779
02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:27,820
been elected president United States of

2780
02:09:33,120 --> 02:09:29,650
America he's not qualified and he's not

2781
02:09:35,820 --> 02:09:33,130
capable but we got him there is what are

2782
02:09:38,510 --> 02:09:35,830
we gonna do about it you know how can we

2783
02:09:41,640 --> 02:09:38,520
within the confines of our democracy our

2784
02:09:44,850 --> 02:09:41,650
democratic process if we believe in it

2785
02:09:48,990 --> 02:09:44,860
and if it still functions how can we

2786
02:09:51,500 --> 02:09:49,000
make it okay you know how can we adjust

2787
02:09:54,630 --> 02:09:51,510
either adjust to him or replace him

2788
02:09:57,090 --> 02:09:54,640
not that Pence is any better frankly you

2789
02:10:00,540 --> 02:09:57,100
know but a pound for a penny what are

2790
02:10:04,200 --> 02:10:00,550
you gonna do the pence and and his ilk

2791
02:10:06,120 --> 02:10:04,210
also are backward thinkers they want to

2792
02:10:08,190 --> 02:10:06,130
roll things back and and the religious

2793
02:10:10,200 --> 02:10:08,200
fanaticism has taken over the entire

2794
02:10:13,560 --> 02:10:10,210
world and we're suffering from it as

2795
02:10:17,490 --> 02:10:13,570
much as the crazy Mid Eastern nations

2796
02:10:19,710 --> 02:10:17,500
are okay Mike Pence is a guy who won't

2797
02:10:22,340 --> 02:10:19,720
take another woman out to dinner because

2798
02:10:25,680 --> 02:10:22,350
it goes against his religious principles

2799
02:10:28,050 --> 02:10:25,690
now is that nuts or what

2800
02:10:30,030 --> 02:10:28,060
yeah but he's impatient of no nuts right

2801
02:10:33,180 --> 02:10:30,040
right but he's okay with lobbying

2802
02:10:36,690 --> 02:10:33,190
Tomahawk missiles into into villages

2803
02:10:39,930 --> 02:10:36,700
somewhere manly thing to do right thing

2804
02:10:42,420 --> 02:10:39,940
to do God is a fierce and you know and

2805
02:10:43,980 --> 02:10:42,430
strict god I remember reading a

2806
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:43,990
wonderful explanation of why

2807
02:10:52,200 --> 02:10:47,290
we look at God the way we do it was I

2808
02:10:56,370 --> 02:10:52,210
think it was a preacher who I read had

2809
02:10:59,850 --> 02:10:56,380
this interpretation in the Bible the the

2810
02:11:01,230 --> 02:10:59,860
vengeful God is like the early father to

2811
02:11:04,380 --> 02:11:01,240
the child okay

2812
02:11:06,300 --> 02:11:04,390
he's all-powerful and he is doing

2813
02:11:08,970 --> 02:11:06,310
everything he can to control the child

2814
02:11:12,150 --> 02:11:08,980
and make sure that child grows up safely

2815
02:11:13,830 --> 02:11:12,160
and and well right and by and okay but

2816
02:11:16,680 --> 02:11:13,840
he's got total control over that child

2817
02:11:18,720 --> 02:11:16,690
and that and he can punish that child if

2818
02:11:21,660 --> 02:11:18,730
that child doesn't behave properly and

2819
02:11:24,230 --> 02:11:21,670
then later as the child grows up and

2820
02:11:27,420 --> 02:11:24,240
begins to take responsibility the father

2821
02:11:30,060 --> 02:11:27,430
becomes more of a companion to the child

2822
02:11:33,630 --> 02:11:30,070
more of a loving God more of a nurturing

2823
02:11:34,980 --> 02:11:33,640
God more of our protecting God but but

2824
02:11:38,040 --> 02:11:34,990
here's that here's the catch

2825
02:11:39,170 --> 02:11:38,050
it's a male eccentric point of view it's

2826
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:39,180
a male point of view

2827
02:11:45,870 --> 02:11:41,890
okay it's not yin and yang

2828
02:11:49,350 --> 02:11:45,880
it's not a transsexual God it's not a

2829
02:11:51,390 --> 02:11:49,360
God that encompasses the mother spirit

2830
02:11:53,580 --> 02:11:51,400
and the father spirit it's just the

2831
02:11:56,160 --> 02:11:53,590
father spirit it's the warrior spirit

2832
02:11:59,070 --> 02:11:56,170
and it comes out of our herbal to our

2833
02:12:02,820 --> 02:11:59,080
early tribal experiences it certainly

2834
02:12:05,040 --> 02:12:02,830
does and and I I avoid politics on this

2835
02:12:09,210 --> 02:12:05,050
show like the plague right and certainly

2836
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:09,220
today the divide and conquer which is

2837
02:12:12,650 --> 02:12:11,290
bringing it doesn't matter what you do

2838
02:12:16,260 --> 02:12:12,660
what you say

2839
02:12:18,780 --> 02:12:16,270
everybody's now completely polarized and

2840
02:12:21,480 --> 02:12:18,790
it's nearly violent and we've seen this

2841
02:12:24,300 --> 02:12:21,490
blow up in social media right yeah sure

2842
02:12:27,090 --> 02:12:24,310
and and you know we're sitting here

2843
02:12:32,640 --> 02:12:27,100
talking about Trump but I'm not so sure

2844
02:12:33,420 --> 02:12:32,650
that it's it's uh it doesn't matter

2845
02:12:37,350 --> 02:12:33,430
anymore

2846
02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:37,360
I think bowling I said I said that early

2847
02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:40,330
on when we took a transcontinental

2848
02:12:43,670 --> 02:12:41,050
drascalo

2849
02:12:46,860 --> 02:12:43,680
trans Canadian railroad trip from

2850
02:12:48,150 --> 02:12:46,870
Vancouver to Toronto and I recommend it

2851
02:12:49,470 --> 02:12:48,160
to anybody it's a four-day trip it's

2852
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:49,480
wonderful and there were a lot of

2853
02:12:53,700 --> 02:12:51,850
foreign foreign people on the trip and

2854
02:12:56,010 --> 02:12:53,710
they were all terribly concerned that

2855
02:12:57,390 --> 02:12:56,020
the Conservative Party was going to win

2856
02:12:58,830 --> 02:12:57,400
in America and the

2857
02:13:00,300 --> 02:12:58,840
would be elected and I said I don't know

2858
02:13:02,130 --> 02:13:00,310
it does it doesn't matter it doesn't

2859
02:13:03,630 --> 02:13:02,140
matter and in a sense it doesn't matter

2860
02:13:05,370 --> 02:13:03,640
because it's all about growing pains

2861
02:13:07,950 --> 02:13:05,380
it's all about coming to grips with

2862
02:13:10,020 --> 02:13:07,960
reality it's all about finding if you

2863
02:13:11,970 --> 02:13:10,030
will the balance in that polarization

2864
02:13:14,340 --> 02:13:11,980
and I agree with you it's kind of a

2865
02:13:18,300 --> 02:13:14,350
dangerous place to be fire sign Theatre

2866
02:13:20,550 --> 02:13:18,310
we did not overtly politicize our

2867
02:13:22,860 --> 02:13:20,560
message because we feel the same way you

2868
02:13:26,399 --> 02:13:22,870
do and what we our basic message was

2869
02:13:31,169 --> 02:13:26,409
it's up to you to find your path in life

2870
02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:31,179
in spite of all of these divisions and

2871
02:13:35,729 --> 02:13:33,730
in spite of this conflict right right

2872
02:13:39,660 --> 02:13:35,739
you might if you really believe in a

2873
02:13:41,880 --> 02:13:39,670
loving path or in a creative expression

2874
02:13:44,100 --> 02:13:41,890
of yourself you have to rise above it

2875
02:13:46,260 --> 02:13:44,110
and I'm telling you and find your own

2876
02:13:48,780 --> 02:13:46,270
way and I'm telling you when you start

2877
02:13:50,370 --> 02:13:48,790
playing in social media this is what I'm

2878
02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:50,380
talking about a tipping point you find

2879
02:13:54,149 --> 02:13:52,330
more and more people going oh I had to

2880
02:13:56,550 --> 02:13:54,159
unfriend this guy or I had an affair or

2881
02:13:58,500 --> 02:13:56,560
some troll was yelling at me and doing

2882
02:14:00,750 --> 02:13:58,510
this and that and you see all this kind

2883
02:14:03,510 --> 02:14:00,760
of the divisiveness that is expressed in

2884
02:14:05,729 --> 02:14:03,520
the social world the political world I

2885
02:14:07,530 --> 02:14:05,739
should say is manifesting socially and

2886
02:14:10,050 --> 02:14:07,540
people have to deal with it because it's

2887
02:14:12,660 --> 02:14:10,060
something a lesson it's a lesson we have

2888
02:14:16,760 --> 02:14:12,670
to learn now it's a lesson we brought

2889
02:14:19,200 --> 02:14:16,770
upon ourselves and we have to learn the

2890
02:14:23,850 --> 02:14:19,210
that some of the other things that you

2891
02:14:26,030 --> 02:14:23,860
you discussed so many years ago about

2892
02:14:28,830 --> 02:14:26,040
Annie and the satire of

2893
02:14:31,740 --> 02:14:28,840
commercials or the satire of our world

2894
02:14:36,120 --> 02:14:31,750
or what is reality and what is not it's

2895
02:14:39,959 --> 02:14:36,130
last year with the revelation that fake

2896
02:14:43,350 --> 02:14:39,969
news was driving emotion around the

2897
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:43,360
world a banned flow millions of people

2898
02:14:49,370 --> 02:14:45,850
just freaking out and going in all of

2899
02:14:52,040 --> 02:14:49,380
these directions based on fakeness and

2900
02:14:55,290 --> 02:14:52,050
that that right there the whole

2901
02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:55,300
Orwellian Ministry of Truth and what

2902
02:14:59,760 --> 02:14:57,370
you're being fed is a lie and then

2903
02:15:02,729 --> 02:14:59,770
suddenly everybody had to step back and

2904
02:15:06,450 --> 02:15:02,739
go wait a minute that stuff was fake I

2905
02:15:09,510 --> 02:15:06,460
thought it was real now they don't know

2906
02:15:10,740 --> 02:15:09,520
and this is this is this is the rub they

2907
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:10,750
don't know if

2908
02:15:15,120 --> 02:15:12,490
what is being fed to them on the

2909
02:15:18,510 --> 02:15:15,130
mainstream media is real or not now they

2910
02:15:20,610 --> 02:15:18,520
have to second-guess their own reality

2911
02:15:22,920 --> 02:15:20,620
but you've been talking about that for a

2912
02:15:28,260 --> 02:15:22,930
long long time now you have to step back

2913
02:15:31,020 --> 02:15:28,270
and go wow I was right this is the

2914
02:15:36,270 --> 02:15:31,030
reality we live in today how do you

2915
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:36,280
react to that well I've always felt and

2916
02:15:42,060 --> 02:15:39,610
this is why I studied the mind and my

2917
02:15:43,680 --> 02:15:42,070
own consciousness and I learned it

2918
02:15:45,840 --> 02:15:43,690
actually through the ingestion of

2919
02:15:47,550 --> 02:15:45,850
psychedelic drugs when I went through an

2920
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:47,560
experimental period to see what that was

2921
02:15:54,120 --> 02:15:51,850
all about right that we number one we

2922
02:15:57,570 --> 02:15:54,130
believe what we want to believe but

2923
02:16:00,690 --> 02:15:57,580
number two if you are if you experience

2924
02:16:03,600 --> 02:16:00,700
anything psychedelic you realize that

2925
02:16:07,200 --> 02:16:03,610
your mind manifests itself in terms of

2926
02:16:09,450 --> 02:16:07,210
perceptions that you that you apply to

2927
02:16:11,850 --> 02:16:09,460
the world in other words if you're on a

2928
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:11,860
drug that manifests the mind that's what

2929
02:16:19,140 --> 02:16:14,290
psychedelic means basically manifesting

2930
02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:19,150
the mind and you look at a wall and that

2931
02:16:24,570 --> 02:16:20,890
wall has wallpaper on it and the

2932
02:16:27,780 --> 02:16:24,580
wallpaper is a forest seem in a pattern

2933
02:16:31,320 --> 02:16:27,790
and you say to yourself in your mind I'm

2934
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:31,330
in a forest that pattern will manifest

2935
02:16:36,180 --> 02:16:34,090
it'll start moving it'll start living it

2936
02:16:39,240 --> 02:16:36,190
will look like a forest it's not a

2937
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:39,250
forest it's a wallpaper but in your mind

2938
02:16:46,709 --> 02:16:42,639
you have asked your mind to perceive it

2939
02:16:50,549 --> 02:16:46,719
that way that's what happens people want

2940
02:16:53,400 --> 02:16:50,559
to believe what they manifest in their

2941
02:16:56,629 --> 02:16:53,410
mind and that's why you have this

2942
02:17:00,870 --> 02:16:56,639
polarization because they cannot see

2943
02:17:03,270 --> 02:17:00,880
reality there is no objective reality

2944
02:17:05,400 --> 02:17:03,280
anymore there is objective reality when

2945
02:17:07,049 --> 02:17:05,410
it comes to truth and lies there is and

2946
02:17:09,360 --> 02:17:07,059
you do it by fact-checking

2947
02:17:11,730 --> 02:17:09,370
right you do it by not mindlessly

2948
02:17:14,759 --> 02:17:11,740
forwarding something that that proves

2949
02:17:16,890 --> 02:17:14,769
your point socially or politically about

2950
02:17:19,890 --> 02:17:16,900
something to check it out first

2951
02:17:23,009 --> 02:17:19,900
nobody does no because people are lazy

2952
02:17:23,840 --> 02:17:23,019
and they want to believe this is why we

2953
02:17:26,180 --> 02:17:23,850
have religion

2954
02:17:29,110 --> 02:17:26,190
they want to believe in something they

2955
02:17:32,470 --> 02:17:29,120
want to surrender their own individual

2956
02:17:36,201 --> 02:17:32,480
power of choice their own existential

2957
02:17:38,541 --> 02:17:36,211
reality to choose right or wrong they

2958
02:17:40,940 --> 02:17:38,551
want to surrender that to a group

2959
02:17:42,291 --> 02:17:40,950
thought the group think they want to

2960
02:17:44,180 --> 02:17:42,301
surrender they become they're

2961
02:17:46,991 --> 02:17:44,190
comfortable being a part of a movement

2962
02:17:49,371 --> 02:17:47,001
they're marching with the tiki torches

2963
02:17:51,201 --> 02:17:49,381
look at all the people marching behind

2964
02:17:53,420 --> 02:17:51,211
me with my tiki torches in my head I'm

2965
02:17:57,860 --> 02:17:53,430
part of a movement I'm part of a group

2966
02:18:00,980 --> 02:17:57,870
I'm doing something I belong I'm in a

2967
02:18:03,291 --> 02:18:00,990
family you know and and and this is the

2968
02:18:05,720 --> 02:18:03,301
kind of thinking that that is just it's

2969
02:18:09,371 --> 02:18:05,730
built into the instincts

2970
02:18:13,161 --> 02:18:09,381
I guess the DNA of this particular

2971
02:18:16,640 --> 02:18:13,171
creation that we are and you have to you

2972
02:18:18,890 --> 02:18:16,650
have to think more objectively but not

2973
02:18:22,250 --> 02:18:18,900
everybody can and not everybody wants to

2974
02:18:24,020 --> 02:18:22,260
not everybody will before me before we

2975
02:18:25,550 --> 02:18:24,030
run out of time staying on the same

2976
02:18:27,140 --> 02:18:25,560
subject that I wanted don't say we're

2977
02:18:29,241 --> 02:18:27,150
running out of time we're at the edge of

2978
02:18:31,281 --> 02:18:29,251
a nuclear disaster let's just say before

2979
02:18:32,600 --> 02:18:31,291
we end the show oh you know what check

2980
02:18:36,880 --> 02:18:32,610
this out you keep that up you're gonna

2981
02:18:42,500 --> 02:18:36,890
be doing overtime okay young man is this

2982
02:18:44,630 --> 02:18:42,510
with the the enjoyment of science

2983
02:18:46,100 --> 02:18:44,640
fiction and creative writing in philip k

2984
02:18:51,710 --> 02:18:46,110
dick and some of the things that went

2985
02:18:54,081 --> 02:18:51,720
down in the 60s and 70s about our the

2986
02:18:56,571 --> 02:18:54,091
future would be reality television and

2987
02:18:58,760 --> 02:18:56,581
cameras in in living rooms and Ray

2988
02:19:01,520 --> 02:18:58,770
Bradbury ray bright and we laughed about

2989
02:19:03,340 --> 02:19:01,530
it and here you go and you're the voice

2990
02:19:10,640 --> 02:19:03,350
of big brother

2991
02:19:13,010 --> 02:19:10,650
seriously you did you really you had to

2992
02:19:15,741 --> 02:19:13,020
ask yourself how did we get here we are

2993
02:19:18,110 --> 02:19:15,751
now living the future and this wasn't

2994
02:19:21,140 --> 02:19:18,120
supposed to be this was imagination and

2995
02:19:23,710 --> 02:19:21,150
this was fun and games 20 years ago but

2996
02:19:27,321 --> 02:19:23,720
a scripted television is now gone and

2997
02:19:29,510 --> 02:19:27,331
everybody wants to watch somebody else's

2998
02:19:29,960 --> 02:19:29,520
life and now everybody is what are they

2999
02:19:32,090 --> 02:19:29,970
doing now

3000
02:19:35,750 --> 02:19:32,100
they're they're live streaming on

3001
02:19:37,780 --> 02:19:35,760
Facebook you know their living room what

3002
02:19:41,890 --> 02:19:37,790
do you think is actually going

3003
02:19:45,730 --> 02:19:41,900
I'm with pop culture well it's a tabloid

3004
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:45,740
culture basically and it knows news stop

3005
02:19:50,410 --> 02:19:47,599
being objective and became news

3006
02:19:53,500 --> 02:19:50,420
retainment you know enter newsmen right

3007
02:19:57,250 --> 02:19:53,510
right that's good it's driven by the

3008
02:19:59,430 --> 02:19:57,260
profit motive okay it's that that is the

3009
02:20:02,800 --> 02:19:59,440
in this particular society which is not

3010
02:20:05,290 --> 02:20:02,810
democratic socialism it is it's

3011
02:20:07,540 --> 02:20:05,300
capitalism is democratic capitalism if

3012
02:20:09,970 --> 02:20:07,550
you so call it Democratic it's a

3013
02:20:13,660 --> 02:20:09,980
republic right but it's basically ruled

3014
02:20:15,790 --> 02:20:13,670
by economic groups bye-bye it's a

3015
02:20:18,100 --> 02:20:15,800
corporate world that we live in and the

3016
02:20:23,470 --> 02:20:18,110
corporate world is primarily focused on

3017
02:20:27,550 --> 02:20:23,480
profit not profit like PR o ph et you

3018
02:20:30,070 --> 02:20:27,560
know lead me its profit P ro F ite which

3019
02:20:31,990 --> 02:20:30,080
I can get my hands on you know I can dig

3020
02:20:34,030 --> 02:20:32,000
into those gold coins and run them

3021
02:20:36,670 --> 02:20:34,040
through my fingers and that's then

3022
02:20:39,400 --> 02:20:36,680
that's my future by you know that's my

3023
02:20:41,860 --> 02:20:39,410
protection and and because things are

3024
02:20:43,720 --> 02:20:41,870
run by the profit motive primarily this

3025
02:20:46,300 --> 02:20:43,730
is what it is not I'm not saying it's

3026
02:20:49,270 --> 02:20:46,310
good or bad but if you if that's the way

3027
02:20:50,920 --> 02:20:49,280
you choose to run your society then

3028
02:20:53,470 --> 02:20:50,930
these are going to be the results of it

3029
02:20:55,210 --> 02:20:53,480
because you're not going to view things

3030
02:20:58,810 --> 02:20:55,220
objectively you're going to view things

3031
02:21:02,620 --> 02:20:58,820
in terms of of what makes people watch

3032
02:21:05,140 --> 02:21:02,630
you and pay for you okay mother

3033
02:21:06,610 --> 02:21:05,150
Rush Limbaugh quite has said quite

3034
02:21:08,920 --> 02:21:06,620
clearly always at he's an entertainer

3035
02:21:11,350 --> 02:21:08,930
all of these guys Hannity and all of

3036
02:21:14,290 --> 02:21:11,360
these guys who have who have politicized

3037
02:21:17,350 --> 02:21:14,300
and weaponized entertainment basically

3038
02:21:20,170 --> 02:21:17,360
hide behind it they say I'm not a I I am

3039
02:21:22,600 --> 02:21:20,180
NOT a newsman I am I am an entertainer

3040
02:21:24,910 --> 02:21:22,610
well if you're an entertainer and you

3041
02:21:27,490 --> 02:21:24,920
talk about things that affect people's

3042
02:21:29,680 --> 02:21:27,500
lives that influence them politically or

3043
02:21:32,020 --> 02:21:29,690
socially or influenced the way democracy

3044
02:21:34,511 --> 02:21:32,030
works because you're asking but you're

3045
02:21:36,340 --> 02:21:34,521
telling people how they should vote by

3046
02:21:38,500 --> 02:21:36,350
planting ideas in their heads that make

3047
02:21:40,810 --> 02:21:38,510
them fearful or make them you know feel

3048
02:21:43,270 --> 02:21:40,820
that they need to be more powerful then

3049
02:21:45,970 --> 02:21:43,280
you are you are you are stepping beyond

3050
02:21:48,011 --> 02:21:45,980
the role of entertainment and you're

3051
02:21:49,630 --> 02:21:48,021
stepping into propaganda ISM and you're

3052
02:21:51,551 --> 02:21:49,640
stepping in as you said your double for

3053
02:21:54,100 --> 02:21:51,561
double think and and

3054
02:21:57,940 --> 02:21:54,110
of truth and all of that because you are

3055
02:22:00,070 --> 02:21:57,950
basically creating an illusion that that

3056
02:22:02,620 --> 02:22:00,080
is that people that you want people to

3057
02:22:06,220 --> 02:22:02,630
accept as a reality and if they're

3058
02:22:08,341 --> 02:22:06,230
injecting the news now with everybody

3059
02:22:12,251 --> 02:22:08,351
that you just named has turned into

3060
02:22:14,860 --> 02:22:12,261
opinion and I don't understand that it's

3061
02:22:17,320 --> 02:22:14,870
opinion and it's not news and that is

3062
02:22:19,990 --> 02:22:17,330
something Jimmy when I first came out to

3063
02:22:20,890 --> 02:22:20,000
LA from New York I was a stranger in a

3064
02:22:23,770 --> 02:22:20,900
strange land

3065
02:22:28,060 --> 02:22:23,780
New York was a very intellectual elite

3066
02:22:30,370 --> 02:22:28,070
driven very objective place to grow up

3067
02:22:32,801 --> 02:22:30,380
very European influenced by many

3068
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:32,811
cultures very diverse this is in New

3069
02:22:39,640 --> 02:22:36,650
York and I was there from 1945 to 1956

3070
02:22:42,370 --> 02:22:39,650
and then finally 65 and and basically

3071
02:22:44,530 --> 02:22:42,380
when I came out here with the the play

3072
02:22:45,430 --> 02:22:44,540
the amorous flee the musical and I turn

3073
02:22:50,020 --> 02:22:45,440
on the television

3074
02:22:53,320 --> 02:22:50,030
I saw newscasters saying and this is one

3075
02:22:56,230 --> 02:22:53,330
fellas opinion okay and he would do an

3076
02:22:58,841 --> 02:22:56,240
editorial against the hippies one

3077
02:23:00,400 --> 02:22:58,851
fellow's opinion and that was exactly

3078
02:23:03,850 --> 02:23:00,410
what you're saying that was in the 50s

3079
02:23:06,850 --> 02:23:03,860
okay and the early snow in the 60s mid

3080
02:23:10,540 --> 02:23:06,860
60's when I was really out here so so a

3081
02:23:14,290 --> 02:23:10,550
news program was already editorializing

3082
02:23:16,870 --> 02:23:14,300
as part of the entertainment and the

3083
02:23:19,810 --> 02:23:16,880
draw to it and remember was a time when

3084
02:23:22,301 --> 02:23:19,820
and pine and and all of these crazy

3085
02:23:24,220 --> 02:23:22,311
smoke cigarette smoking guys yelling at

3086
02:23:26,171 --> 02:23:24,230
their audience we're all starting and

3087
02:23:26,350 --> 02:23:26,181
they were all political sit down sit

3088
02:23:29,350 --> 02:23:26,360
down

3089
02:23:30,790 --> 02:23:29,360
remember leading to all this the shows

3090
02:23:31,570 --> 02:23:30,800
with the women in the men fighting and

3091
02:23:33,850 --> 02:23:31,580
all that kinda stuff

3092
02:23:39,220 --> 02:23:33,860
Wally George you remember Wally George

3093
02:23:41,950 --> 02:23:39,230
love love walk in Sherman Oaks at my

3094
02:23:44,381 --> 02:23:41,960
bank we banked at the same Bank and I

3095
02:23:47,080 --> 02:23:44,391
would see Wally all the time coming in

3096
02:23:52,751 --> 02:23:47,090
with this toupee you know and and and I

3097
02:23:56,790 --> 02:23:52,761
was just he he was the future and he did

3098
02:23:58,780 --> 02:23:56,800
not know it yeah you know the audience

3099
02:24:02,370 --> 02:23:58,790
mostly doesn't know what we're talking

3100
02:24:05,211 --> 02:24:02,380
about but Wally George was a talk show a

3101
02:24:08,211 --> 02:24:05,221
conservative guy on what was his channel

3102
02:24:09,921 --> 02:24:08,221
t6 or something I forget I thought he

3103
02:24:13,781 --> 02:24:09,931
was on him even a more popular channel

3104
02:24:18,470 --> 02:24:13,791
but he he was pioneering antagonistic

3105
02:24:20,211 --> 02:24:18,480
polarizing television with a live

3106
02:24:22,191 --> 02:24:20,221
audience in order to create

3107
02:24:24,680 --> 02:24:22,201
entertainment attention and examine it

3108
02:24:27,171 --> 02:24:24,690
was adding sports to politics

3109
02:24:30,201 --> 02:24:27,181
I mean had the American flag behind him

3110
02:24:34,100 --> 02:24:30,211
you remember sure of course of course

3111
02:24:35,961 --> 02:24:34,110
you know what the point I'm making is it

3112
02:24:37,911 --> 02:24:35,971
hasn't really changed right as we just

3113
02:24:41,121 --> 02:24:37,921
become more all pervasive because the

3114
02:24:44,331 --> 02:24:41,131
formula works it does what it does it's

3115
02:24:46,970 --> 02:24:44,341
a profit-making formula it works well

3116
02:24:48,741 --> 02:24:46,980
and it's now just about as you also I've

3117
02:24:52,161 --> 02:24:48,751
been pointing out during this show it's

3118
02:24:54,441 --> 02:24:52,171
about the platforms that exist and I'm

3119
02:24:56,781 --> 02:24:54,451
suggesting that some of these platforms

3120
02:25:02,291 --> 02:24:56,791
one of which you are on we're on right

3121
02:25:04,941 --> 02:25:02,301
now are reaching a certain kind of

3122
02:25:09,100 --> 02:25:04,951
specialized audience that is that is

3123
02:25:11,680 --> 02:25:09,110
more tuned in more intelligent less

3124
02:25:15,051 --> 02:25:11,690
divisive in their thinking less

3125
02:25:17,871 --> 02:25:15,061
prejudiced in their thinking and and I

3126
02:25:21,081 --> 02:25:17,881
believe that there's there's a good and

3127
02:25:23,390 --> 02:25:21,091
energy in that kind of gathering of

3128
02:25:25,371 --> 02:25:23,400
minds the fire sign theater was

3129
02:25:27,531 --> 02:25:25,381
successful not only because we were

3130
02:25:29,270 --> 02:25:27,541
reaching a hip pockets in the back side

3131
02:25:31,730 --> 02:25:29,280
of America all right with with

3132
02:25:34,520 --> 02:25:31,740
intelligent comedy that also had you

3133
02:25:37,701 --> 02:25:34,530
know low slapstick and everything but FM

3134
02:25:39,621 --> 02:25:37,711
radio manifested while we were out there

3135
02:25:41,031 --> 02:25:39,631
remember we were creating records it

3136
02:25:43,251 --> 02:25:41,041
could be listened to in the privacy of

3137
02:25:45,501 --> 02:25:43,261
your own home that's why we got away

3138
02:25:47,541 --> 02:25:45,511
with some of the language that we use in

3139
02:25:48,980 --> 02:25:47,551
our early records right it wasn't we

3140
02:25:51,861 --> 02:25:48,990
didn't think it was gonna be broadcast

3141
02:25:55,161 --> 02:25:51,871
it was just for home consumption and

3142
02:25:59,511 --> 02:25:55,171
then FM radio came along and it

3143
02:26:01,970 --> 02:25:59,521
primarily was manifested in campus

3144
02:26:03,651 --> 02:26:01,980
campus radio stations maybe you even

3145
02:26:06,560 --> 02:26:03,661
involved it I don't know and suddenly

3146
02:26:09,051 --> 02:26:06,570
people could play you know a 20-minute

3147
02:26:11,631 --> 02:26:09,061
side of a record without any commercial

3148
02:26:15,111 --> 02:26:11,641
interruption on this new format of

3149
02:26:17,361 --> 02:26:15,121
stereo broadcasting and that's where we

3150
02:26:18,950 --> 02:26:17,371
really reached our widest audiences

3151
02:26:21,380 --> 02:26:18,960
that's why our audiences

3152
02:26:23,330 --> 02:26:21,390
exponentially but we couldn't they

3153
02:26:24,920 --> 02:26:23,340
wouldn't put his on television you know

3154
02:26:27,469 --> 02:26:24,930
we didn't have the kind of atmosphere

3155
02:26:30,469 --> 02:26:27,479
that Monty Python had which was you know

3156
02:26:31,729 --> 02:26:30,479
the embracement of surrealism even

3157
02:26:34,939 --> 02:26:31,739
though and I should have mentioned this

3158
02:26:36,349 --> 02:26:34,949
to the goon shows influenced us greatly

3159
02:26:39,170 --> 02:26:36,359
right which was you know as a

3160
02:26:41,660 --> 02:26:39,180
long-running surrealistic radio show in

3161
02:26:43,550 --> 02:26:41,670
England starring Peter Sellers and Spike

3162
02:26:47,210 --> 02:26:43,560
Milligan who Peter Bergmann actually

3163
02:26:48,559 --> 02:26:47,220
wrote with in England years ago and and

3164
02:26:51,050 --> 02:26:48,569
that kind of thing was it has always

3165
02:26:53,300 --> 02:26:51,060
been embraced eccentricity has always

3166
02:26:55,400 --> 02:26:53,310
been embraced socially and politically

3167
02:26:57,800 --> 02:26:55,410
by the English not so much by the

3168
02:27:00,830 --> 02:26:57,810
Americans very conservative Victorian

3169
02:27:03,590 --> 02:27:00,840
society and therefore Firestein theater

3170
02:27:06,260 --> 02:27:03,600
which was was dangerous to television we

3171
02:27:08,240 --> 02:27:06,270
only did a few local shows because it

3172
02:27:10,189 --> 02:27:08,250
was like all these guys are you know

3173
02:27:13,460 --> 02:27:10,199
they're making fun of our the medium and

3174
02:27:15,229 --> 02:27:13,470
on making fun of maybe of us and you

3175
02:27:18,080 --> 02:27:15,239
know the format's that we were using to

3176
02:27:20,510 --> 02:27:18,090
reach people and uh they didn't get the

3177
02:27:23,320 --> 02:27:20,520
comedy of it the humour of it because it

3178
02:27:25,790 --> 02:27:23,330
wasn't a part of their gene of their DNA

3179
02:27:30,620 --> 02:27:25,800
did you ever get a chance to meet Peter

3180
02:27:32,830 --> 02:27:30,630
Sellers no I never did however however

3181
02:27:38,179 --> 02:27:32,840
and it's in the book I met his daughter

3182
02:27:43,150 --> 02:27:38,189
Victoria because she opened a whorehouse

3183
02:27:48,170 --> 02:27:43,160
on our street in Beverly Hills and her

3184
02:27:55,099 --> 02:27:48,180
body dogs her partner her bodyguards dog

3185
02:27:58,040 --> 02:27:55,109
ate my bed I know it's true it's true

3186
02:27:59,990 --> 02:27:58,050
now mice Heidi Fleiss

3187
02:28:02,059 --> 02:28:00,000
all right I think Victoria Sellars is

3188
02:28:02,870 --> 02:28:02,069
Heidi Fleiss his best friend right right

3189
02:28:06,800 --> 02:28:02,880
right

3190
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:06,810
Kent and another girl named Irene sue

3191
02:28:12,920 --> 02:28:10,050
woman who's a realtor who was married to

3192
02:28:14,479 --> 02:28:12,930
Yvonne nice name sound familiar yes

3193
02:28:17,210 --> 02:28:14,489
Yvonne Knives was Heidi Fleiss his

3194
02:28:19,519 --> 02:28:17,220
boyfriend oh yes he's a Hungarian

3195
02:28:22,130 --> 02:28:19,529
American director yep it was a friend of

3196
02:28:23,960 --> 02:28:22,140
mine because Irene Sue was a friend of

3197
02:28:26,349 --> 02:28:23,970
mine and they lived in this next street

3198
02:28:30,019 --> 02:28:26,359
over from where I presently live and

3199
02:28:32,541 --> 02:28:30,029
Irene sue rented this house on our

3200
02:28:35,001 --> 02:28:32,551
street which belonged to Bob Ginty

3201
02:28:37,701 --> 02:28:35,011
who I went to Yale with who is a

3202
02:28:39,560 --> 02:28:37,711
director who ended up in Ireland

3203
02:28:42,081 --> 02:28:39,570
directing things which is why the house

3204
02:28:44,030 --> 02:28:42,091
was up for rent and she moved in and she

3205
02:28:48,201 --> 02:28:44,040
opened a little whorehouse there for

3206
02:28:50,751 --> 02:28:48,211
Heidi Fleiss and her boyfriend know what

3207
02:28:52,610 --> 02:28:50,761
say it one more time what what The

3208
02:28:56,661 --> 02:28:52,620
Bodyguard no where does she own patience

3209
02:28:59,301 --> 02:28:56,671
what did she open a pleasure house house

3210
02:29:04,190 --> 02:28:59,311
of pleasure you know I was a male fund

3211
02:29:06,411 --> 02:29:04,200
back in the 80s at the Roxy there was a

3212
02:29:08,991 --> 02:29:06,421
they had a little nightclub upstairs a

3213
02:29:10,970 --> 02:29:09,001
little bar and I can't remember the name

3214
02:29:12,711 --> 02:29:10,980
of the place but I really had arrived

3215
02:29:17,991 --> 02:29:12,721
yeah on the rocks on the rocks on the

3216
02:29:20,631 --> 02:29:18,001
rock and and the rumors we go around you

3217
02:29:22,850 --> 02:29:20,641
know she she's a she's a madam and they

3218
02:29:25,371 --> 02:29:22,860
would point I never talked to her I

3219
02:29:27,201 --> 02:29:25,381
never met it never hung out but I would

3220
02:29:29,661 --> 02:29:27,211
I would always just kind of look and she

3221
02:29:30,860 --> 02:29:29,671
always had the you know the the women

3222
02:29:35,631 --> 02:29:30,870
around her pretty girls

3223
02:29:37,430 --> 02:29:35,641
yes what happened was it her body guy

3224
02:29:40,280 --> 02:29:37,440
was named lucky and he had a pit bull

3225
02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:40,290
and we had a beautiful cat named Chester

3226
02:29:46,430 --> 02:29:43,530
and the pit bull one day when we were

3227
02:29:46,761 --> 02:29:46,440
out shopping broke in through the cat

3228
02:29:49,461 --> 02:29:46,771
door

3229
02:29:53,780 --> 02:29:49,471
chasing our cat Chester got out of got

3230
02:29:56,780 --> 02:29:53,790
out of the house chased our cat into our

3231
02:30:00,921 --> 02:29:56,790
bedroom and this is a pit bull they're

3232
02:30:04,400 --> 02:30:00,931
very strong jaws and and actually nod

3233
02:30:08,600 --> 02:30:04,410
eight eight the side of the bed it was

3234
02:30:11,150 --> 02:30:08,610
reduced to a sawdust and saliva this dog

3235
02:30:14,991 --> 02:30:11,160
is so strong because our cat was hiding

3236
02:30:16,551 --> 02:30:15,001
under the bed okay right and when we

3237
02:30:19,640 --> 02:30:16,561
came back our bedded buddy I have

3238
02:30:22,520 --> 02:30:19,650
pictures of it and it was on NPR I they

3239
02:30:25,161 --> 02:30:22,530
interviewed me on NPR about this okay

3240
02:30:27,081 --> 02:30:25,171
and it was soon thereafter that we got

3241
02:30:29,570 --> 02:30:27,091
them off the street because I called

3242
02:30:32,030 --> 02:30:29,580
Gibby's lawyer and said you know this

3243
02:30:35,541 --> 02:30:32,040
this can't go on this can't go on and

3244
02:30:37,520 --> 02:30:35,551
actually when when her but her money

3245
02:30:39,711 --> 02:30:37,530
money his neighbor his money with the

3246
02:30:42,560 --> 02:30:39,721
bodyguard money a little black fellow

3247
02:30:46,480 --> 02:30:42,570
with a big gold chain when he came over

3248
02:30:50,400 --> 02:30:46,490
to get his dog back he saw the bed

3249
02:30:53,980 --> 02:30:50,410
he fell to the ground he was so shocked

3250
02:30:56,470 --> 02:30:53,990
so does the ground sawdust and saliva

3251
02:30:58,180 --> 02:30:56,480
sonocent saliva I have pictures of it we

3252
02:30:58,540 --> 02:30:58,190
had it repaired but by god you wouldn't

3253
02:31:00,280 --> 02:30:58,550
believe it

3254
02:31:02,051 --> 02:31:00,290
and and she said I'll pay for it I favor

3255
02:31:04,180 --> 02:31:02,061
I said no you don't have to pay for it

3256
02:31:08,410 --> 02:31:04,190
just don't let it happen again and I

3257
02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:08,420
call his lawyer and said you know this

3258
02:31:13,381 --> 02:31:10,010
is what happened what can you do and

3259
02:31:16,511 --> 02:31:13,391
they were off the street you know what's

3260
02:31:18,040 --> 02:31:16,521
right and what's so amazing about you

3261
02:31:21,011 --> 02:31:18,050
know I can't even believe that you just

3262
02:31:24,310 --> 02:31:21,021
mentioned on the rocks but unit

3263
02:31:28,180 --> 02:31:24,320
Hollywood is a is a trippy place and I

3264
02:31:30,850 --> 02:31:28,190
wanted to ask you about Jim Carrey's

3265
02:31:34,511 --> 02:31:30,860
rant on the red carpet in New York did

3266
02:31:36,881 --> 02:31:34,521
you see the video no no okay

3267
02:31:38,921 --> 02:31:36,891
well Jim Carrey you know they came up

3268
02:31:43,660 --> 02:31:38,931
the standard you know Entertainment

3269
02:31:47,580 --> 02:31:43,670
Tonight you know red carpet host right

3270
02:31:50,110 --> 02:31:47,590
oh here's Jim Carrey yeah Jim so you're

3271
02:31:52,150 --> 02:31:50,120
I'm paraphrasing you're walking the

3272
02:31:54,610 --> 02:31:52,160
streets alone his girlfriend has just

3273
02:31:58,350 --> 02:31:54,620
committed suicide and that was a faux

3274
02:32:01,690 --> 02:31:58,360
pas but she said a couple of weeks ago

3275
02:32:04,301 --> 02:32:01,700
so when we're done just Google Jim

3276
02:32:13,780 --> 02:32:04,311
Carrey red carpet and you will see what

3277
02:32:16,390 --> 02:32:13,790
happens but anyway he goes off and he he

3278
02:32:18,341 --> 02:32:16,400
went into this is not a reality it was

3279
02:32:21,011 --> 02:32:18,351
Fashion Week in New York right he's

3280
02:32:24,640 --> 02:32:21,021
there at the big Fashion Week party and

3281
02:32:26,110 --> 02:32:24,650
and celebration and recognition of icon

3282
02:32:26,650 --> 02:32:26,120
night right that's what it was that's

3283
02:32:29,350 --> 02:32:26,660
what it was

3284
02:32:31,660 --> 02:32:29,360
and he's like this is all reality this

3285
02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:31,670
is this isn't real I'm not real you're

3286
02:32:37,750 --> 02:32:35,210
not real we're here toasting icons

3287
02:32:39,600 --> 02:32:37,760
tonight oh that's the stupidest thing I

3288
02:32:43,961 --> 02:32:39,610
could ever think of and it just

3289
02:32:47,440 --> 02:32:43,971
absolutely blisters her and then walks

3290
02:32:52,091 --> 02:32:47,450
away well you see the the leader of the

3291
02:32:55,870 --> 02:32:52,101
free world is is demonstrating that kind

3292
02:32:59,051 --> 02:32:55,880
of uncontrolled behavior and a

3293
02:32:59,830 --> 02:32:59,061
subconscious blathering he can kind of

3294
02:33:02,340 --> 02:32:59,840
say

3295
02:33:06,660 --> 02:33:02,350
whatever he wants to and so I think

3296
02:33:10,300 --> 02:33:06,670
subconsciously everybody kind of is

3297
02:33:13,240 --> 02:33:10,310
feeling that pressure or that release if

3298
02:33:15,340 --> 02:33:13,250
you will and I think it I think people

3299
02:33:17,380 --> 02:33:15,350
are very ng right now

3300
02:33:19,809 --> 02:33:17,390
again I use the word tipping point

3301
02:33:23,469 --> 02:33:19,819
because I think something's happening I

3302
02:33:25,330 --> 02:33:23,479
don't know what the results gonna be but

3303
02:33:27,760 --> 02:33:25,340
that's you know that's what happens when

3304
02:33:30,550 --> 02:33:27,770
when you don't have power you just have

3305
02:33:32,290 --> 02:33:30,560
to kind of watch and protect yourself as

3306
02:33:34,510 --> 02:33:32,300
best you can you know you know whatever

3307
02:33:36,280 --> 02:33:34,520
your solar plexus you know and use it

3308
02:33:39,280 --> 02:33:36,290
huh you said holly was a trippy place

3309
02:33:40,660 --> 02:33:39,290
just be careful you don't trip well you

3310
02:33:43,840 --> 02:33:40,670
bring up a good point

3311
02:33:46,059 --> 02:33:43,850
the you went through so did I I was a

3312
02:33:49,059 --> 02:33:46,069
little younger than you not by much I'm

3313
02:33:51,069 --> 02:33:49,069
53 but I remember the 60s

3314
02:33:52,870 --> 02:33:51,079
I remember segregation I remember the

3315
02:33:55,179 --> 02:33:52,880
racial tensions I went through all of

3316
02:33:58,540 --> 02:33:55,189
that I went through busing in the 70s we

3317
02:34:02,019 --> 02:33:58,550
we all went through all and do you feel

3318
02:34:07,149 --> 02:34:02,029
that quite possibly we could be going

3319
02:34:10,540 --> 02:34:07,159
through that kind of change are we there

3320
02:34:14,200 --> 02:34:10,550
are we experiencing you know our version

3321
02:34:20,519 --> 02:34:14,210
of the 60s yes yes we are

3322
02:34:24,849 --> 02:34:20,529
I saw a very intelligent professor of

3323
02:34:27,490 --> 02:34:24,859
trends you will of history talk about

3324
02:34:30,639 --> 02:34:27,500
this and he said you know people don't

3325
02:34:33,550 --> 02:34:30,649
remember things but when we were back in

3326
02:34:37,479 --> 02:34:33,560
the 60s we were experiencing very

3327
02:34:40,149 --> 02:34:37,489
similar kind of extremist behavior and

3328
02:34:42,700 --> 02:34:40,159
we thought since we had elected a black

3329
02:34:46,719 --> 02:34:42,710
president that we were going that we had

3330
02:34:50,280 --> 02:34:46,729
kind of transcended that period in our

3331
02:34:54,939 --> 02:34:50,290
history and that is racism and

3332
02:34:56,889 --> 02:34:54,949
inequality and mistreatment of not

3333
02:34:59,530 --> 02:34:56,899
acceptance of diversity was kind of

3334
02:35:01,840 --> 02:34:59,540
behind us or at least we were moving in

3335
02:35:05,260 --> 02:35:01,850
that direction right and you know and it

3336
02:35:08,050 --> 02:35:05,270
just it sustained so even during the

3337
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:08,060
Obama years it was clear to anybody who

3338
02:35:13,480 --> 02:35:11,210
had their eyes open that there was still

3339
02:35:16,270 --> 02:35:13,490
trim there was tremendous prejudice

3340
02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:16,280
can how is his programs were blocked you

3341
02:35:23,381 --> 02:35:21,290
you Republican woman today I don't know

3342
02:35:26,801 --> 02:35:23,391
whether this uses a spokesperson aura or

3343
02:35:29,080 --> 02:35:26,811
a chill or a representative saying how

3344
02:35:30,490 --> 02:35:29,090
the Democrats are responsible for all

3345
02:35:33,220 --> 02:35:30,500
the problems now because they're

3346
02:35:35,320 --> 02:35:33,230
blocking everything I just it's just

3347
02:35:37,900 --> 02:35:35,330
like you know the latest scandal about

3348
02:35:41,730 --> 02:35:37,910
the emails the thing that brought

3349
02:35:44,500 --> 02:35:41,740
Hillary down right right is now

3350
02:35:47,381 --> 02:35:44,510
pervasive is admittedly pervasive in the

3351
02:35:50,980 --> 02:35:47,391
Trump administration as well so the

3352
02:35:53,110 --> 02:35:50,990
hypocrisy is mind-boggling and no wonder

3353
02:35:55,030 --> 02:35:53,120
people are going crazy know what I mean

3354
02:35:57,970 --> 02:35:55,040
how do you how do you hold these

3355
02:36:00,761 --> 02:35:57,980
disparate thoughts in your head and how

3356
02:36:03,250 --> 02:36:00,771
do you feel that any of it is helpful or

3357
02:36:05,051 --> 02:36:03,260
healing or good for the nation or good

3358
02:36:08,261 --> 02:36:05,061
for your your own spirit in your own

3359
02:36:11,430 --> 02:36:08,271
soul when when you people who are are

3360
02:36:15,070 --> 02:36:11,440
are lying and it's so deceitful and so

3361
02:36:17,770 --> 02:36:15,080
transparently apocryphal of hypocrisy

3362
02:36:19,990 --> 02:36:17,780
you can't wrap your poor little head

3363
02:36:22,030 --> 02:36:20,000
around it you know it's it's

3364
02:36:25,511 --> 02:36:22,040
mind-boggling I can't wait till you get

3365
02:36:27,790 --> 02:36:25,521
back to California and I want to really

3366
02:36:28,720 --> 02:36:27,800
quick I want you to just in in your own

3367
02:36:31,440 --> 02:36:28,730
voice

3368
02:36:34,900 --> 02:36:31,450
tell us what's gonna go down on Thursday

3369
02:36:37,390 --> 02:36:34,910
okay yeah Thursday as I say we were

3370
02:36:39,580 --> 02:36:37,400
invited to do a performance at the

3371
02:36:40,810 --> 02:36:39,590
Library of Congress because they seem to

3372
02:36:43,810 --> 02:36:40,820
be at the point that they're gonna

3373
02:36:47,140 --> 02:36:43,820
purchase our archives which is very very

3374
02:36:48,461 --> 02:36:47,150
satisfying and what David asked David

3375
02:36:50,711 --> 02:36:48,471
Robson Osmond and I are the only

3376
02:36:52,631 --> 02:36:50,721
surviving members of a four man group

3377
02:36:56,200 --> 02:36:52,641
called the fire sign theater which as

3378
02:36:58,360 --> 02:36:56,210
we've demonstrated I hope to listeners

3379
02:37:00,640 --> 02:36:58,370
who may not know us then we had a

3380
02:37:03,610 --> 02:37:00,650
cultural effect on the country

3381
02:37:05,650 --> 02:37:03,620
certainly in the late 60s mid 60 70s and

3382
02:37:07,870 --> 02:37:05,660
really over the last 50 years

3383
02:37:09,761 --> 02:37:07,880
so what David and I are doing since we

3384
02:37:12,370 --> 02:37:09,771
are the fire sign theater or what's left

3385
02:37:14,890 --> 02:37:12,380
of it the last two members we're doing a

3386
02:37:17,770 --> 02:37:14,900
piece called the history of radio which

3387
02:37:19,180 --> 02:37:17,780
we feel is appropriate for the honor of

3388
02:37:21,070 --> 02:37:19,190
being on the stage of the Coolidge

3389
02:37:22,930 --> 02:37:21,080
theatre at the Library of Congress and

3390
02:37:26,350 --> 02:37:22,940
it's a piece that we've adopted and

3391
02:37:27,700 --> 02:37:26,360
updated from a show that we did many

3392
02:37:29,590 --> 02:37:27,710
years ago in the seventy

3393
02:37:31,770 --> 02:37:29,600
for the arleigh convention which was a

3394
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:31,780
convention of national public radio

3395
02:37:38,200 --> 02:37:34,570
broadcasters in our Lee Virginia and

3396
02:37:41,560 --> 02:37:38,210
basically we are extrapolating the

3397
02:37:44,740 --> 02:37:41,570
history of radio from oh the from the

3398
02:37:47,950 --> 02:37:44,750
wireless society the telegraphic society

3399
02:37:50,710 --> 02:37:47,960
up through the history of radio as an

3400
02:37:52,570 --> 02:37:50,720
entertainment format as a propagate

3401
02:37:55,240 --> 02:37:52,580
Reata crop Agana format during the

3402
02:37:58,060 --> 02:37:55,250
Second World War up to its influence on

3403
02:38:00,630 --> 02:37:58,070
television and its death at the hands of

3404
02:38:04,390 --> 02:38:00,640
television and then the fireside theater

3405
02:38:06,820 --> 02:38:04,400
transmogrifying radio into a recording

3406
02:38:08,830 --> 02:38:06,830
record form and bringing it up to the

3407
02:38:10,900 --> 02:38:08,840
modern time so that people could

3408
02:38:13,030 --> 02:38:10,910
continue to make movies in their mind

3409
02:38:15,520 --> 02:38:13,040
and to be influenced by the power of the

3410
02:38:17,620 --> 02:38:15,530
word and the image of sound and music

3411
02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:17,630
mixed together in a particular way and

3412
02:38:22,900 --> 02:38:20,570
that's kind of where that takes us then

3413
02:38:26,560 --> 02:38:22,910
we're going to show some home movies of

3414
02:38:29,290 --> 02:38:26,570
the actual making which we have of don't

3415
02:38:31,240 --> 02:38:29,300
crush that dwarf and be the pliers in

3416
02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:31,250
the Columbia Studios which used to be

3417
02:38:36,460 --> 02:38:33,770
radio studios by the way our first

3418
02:38:40,120 --> 02:38:36,470
records were done in Columbia square in

3419
02:38:41,170 --> 02:38:40,130
old radio studios okay and then after

3420
02:38:44,440 --> 02:38:41,180
that we're going to open it to a

3421
02:38:47,890 --> 02:38:44,450
question-and-answer format that Matt

3422
02:38:50,860 --> 02:38:47,900
Barton who is the curator of audio of

3423
02:38:53,740 --> 02:38:50,870
all things audio for the library will

3424
02:38:55,360 --> 02:38:53,750
guide the audience through and that's

3425
02:38:58,090 --> 02:38:55,370
basically going to be it it's kind of

3426
02:39:00,130 --> 02:38:58,100
going to a celebration of the fireside

3427
02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:00,140
theater even though we're not all there

3428
02:39:04,450 --> 02:39:02,090
to celebrate it that is such an honor

3429
02:39:07,360 --> 02:39:04,460
and you you know it must make you feel

3430
02:39:10,750 --> 02:39:07,370
really really good that you have you

3431
02:39:13,390 --> 02:39:10,760
know left your mark and and the legacy

3432
02:39:15,760 --> 02:39:13,400
will be there forever with the Library

3433
02:39:18,130 --> 02:39:15,770
of Congress I mean seriously that must

3434
02:39:20,350 --> 02:39:18,140
feel really cool it doesn't it's very

3435
02:39:22,330 --> 02:39:20,360
sweet of you to acknowledge that it's an

3436
02:39:25,960 --> 02:39:22,340
overflow crowd so they're going to have

3437
02:39:27,820 --> 02:39:25,970
a big screen in an annex room for its

3438
02:39:30,850 --> 02:39:27,830
500 people in the auditorium maybe

3439
02:39:34,420 --> 02:39:30,860
another 200 overflow and it will be

3440
02:39:37,210 --> 02:39:34,430
eventually edited together and posted on

3441
02:39:40,180 --> 02:39:37,220
the Library of Congress website so it's

3442
02:39:41,481 --> 02:39:40,190
a great honor and and it also it's

3443
02:39:44,720 --> 02:39:41,491
encouraging to see that

3444
02:39:47,781 --> 02:39:44,730
David and I can we hope continue the

3445
02:39:50,541 --> 02:39:47,791
legacy of the fire sign and and perhaps

3446
02:39:53,361 --> 02:39:50,551
presented to a new audience as well

3447
02:39:56,841 --> 02:39:53,371
before we shuffle off this mortal coil

3448
02:39:58,701 --> 02:39:56,851
thank you so much Phil and safe travels

3449
02:40:00,771 --> 02:39:58,711
back to Los Angeles and we'll see you

3450
02:40:02,451 --> 02:40:00,781
when you get back here and then we'll do

3451
02:40:05,211 --> 02:40:02,461
some other things together thank you so

3452
02:40:08,511 --> 02:40:05,221
I will be coming coast-to-coast

3453
02:40:11,511 --> 02:40:08,521
to see you thank you so much Phil and

3454
02:40:13,220 --> 02:40:11,521
have a great time Thursday night enjoy

3455
02:40:14,811 --> 02:40:13,230
your Thank You Jimmy love to you and

3456
02:40:17,091 --> 02:40:14,821
love to your audience thank you so much

3457
02:40:19,791 --> 02:40:17,101
Phil Proctor everybody great

3458
02:40:23,301 --> 02:40:19,801
conversation and I do believe it's live

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streaming too as well and go over to

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fire sign theater calm the links are at

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Jimmy Church radio calm and check that

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out I'm gonna take a quick break and

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02:40:35,631 --> 02:40:32,341
I'll get back with all of the news that

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02:40:37,491 --> 02:40:35,641
you know absolutely nothing about Thank

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02:40:37,900 --> 02:40:37,501
You Phil great conversation I'll be

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[Music]

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all right welcome back well at this

3553
02:45:39,750 --> 02:45:37,189
point you know what I'm gonna say that

3554
02:45:44,290 --> 02:45:39,760
was an amazing conversation with Phil

3555
02:45:47,170 --> 02:45:44,300
Thank You Phil Proctor and I want to

3556
02:45:52,840 --> 02:45:47,180
thank Phil right now for allowing me to

3557
02:45:56,110 --> 02:45:52,850
indulge you know because he and and what

3558
02:45:59,380 --> 02:45:56,120
everybody did over at fire sign for so

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02:46:03,030 --> 02:45:59,390
many years just influenced a couple of

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generations but for me the first time

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dick danger right the first time that I

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02:46:09,730 --> 02:46:08,120
was able to put on headphones and I said

3563
02:46:11,500 --> 02:46:09,740
this to Phil earlier today and I really

3564
02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:11,510
mean this I put on headphones and I

3565
02:46:18,850 --> 02:46:15,770
listened and I thought to myself this is

3566
02:46:21,910 --> 02:46:18,860
what can be done right it's funny it is

3567
02:46:24,820 --> 02:46:21,920
it's satire it's its life it's reality

3568
02:46:27,730 --> 02:46:24,830
it's it's aliens it's the supernatural

3569
02:46:32,080 --> 02:46:27,740
it's all of these things but done in a

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02:46:35,440 --> 02:46:32,090
storytelling cinematic fashion that I

3571
02:46:39,460 --> 02:46:35,450
was able to realize what painting a

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02:46:43,510 --> 02:46:39,470
picture you know how you could do it and

3573
02:46:45,219 --> 02:46:43,520
that it was possible and and to have

3574
02:46:48,880 --> 02:46:45,229
Phil on the show tonight I I just have

3575
02:46:51,910 --> 02:46:48,890
to say that it was it was one of those

3576
02:46:54,700 --> 02:46:51,920
things for me to communicate directly to

3577
02:46:59,710 --> 02:46:54,710
somebody that influenced me so much when

3578
02:47:02,950 --> 02:46:59,720
you listen to this show we we try to

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02:47:05,679 --> 02:47:02,960
make sure that it sounds good

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02:47:08,020 --> 02:47:05,689
that there is life to it that there was

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02:47:10,120 --> 02:47:08,030
it is done a little bit differently and

3582
02:47:14,050 --> 02:47:10,130
there's a production value here and and

3583
02:47:19,480 --> 02:47:14,060
that each show I want to be able to take

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02:47:22,929 --> 02:47:19,490
everybody through a real Panavision epic

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02:47:24,880 --> 02:47:22,939
cinematic type of journey where the

3586
02:47:29,190 --> 02:47:24,890
guests and the communication and the

3587
02:47:31,090 --> 02:47:29,200
conversation has color and there is a

3588
02:47:34,420 --> 02:47:31,100
thing that you can do with your

3589
02:47:36,940 --> 02:47:34,430
imagination and just go down this road

3590
02:47:40,600 --> 02:47:36,950
right and you come out of it three hours

3591
02:47:42,400 --> 02:47:40,610
later just like wow that was cool you

3592
02:47:44,269 --> 02:47:42,410
know and and I went there or my

3593
02:47:46,729 --> 02:47:44,279
imagination went there and

3594
02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:46,739
and I learned something right that's

3595
02:47:56,389 --> 02:47:49,770
that's what I try to do and I'm telling

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02:47:59,449 --> 02:47:56,399
you fire sign theater enabled me the the

3597
02:48:02,899 --> 02:47:59,459
that it could be done right that it is

3598
02:48:05,239 --> 02:48:02,909
possible and so that's why this show was

3599
02:48:10,699 --> 02:48:05,249
so special for me tonight so thank you

3600
02:48:13,460 --> 02:48:10,709
Phil and yes yes we'll we'll have Phil

3601
02:48:18,079 --> 02:48:13,470
on a coast-to-coast and in a couple of

3602
02:48:22,340 --> 02:48:18,089
weeks because he he's a huge fan of what

3603
02:48:24,170 --> 02:48:22,350
we do right and that I just got to let

3604
02:48:26,899 --> 02:48:24,180
you guys know that he knows what this

3605
02:48:29,000 --> 02:48:26,909
audience is about right and that's that

3606
02:48:31,099 --> 02:48:29,010
that was key how cool was that

3607
02:48:33,920 --> 02:48:31,109
conversation all right I've only got a

3608
02:48:37,130 --> 02:48:33,930
few minutes left but I've got some very

3609
02:48:41,269 --> 02:48:37,140
very important news that you know

3610
02:48:44,809 --> 02:48:41,279
absolutely nothing about and this first

3611
02:48:46,939 --> 02:48:44,819
this first a little piece of news here

3612
02:48:49,039 --> 02:48:46,949
just buckle up and listen to this and

3613
02:48:51,769 --> 02:48:49,049
take some notes because where there's a

3614
02:48:54,769 --> 02:48:51,779
will there's a way and I talk about this

3615
02:48:58,250 --> 02:48:54,779
all the time and hackers they have

3616
02:49:01,309 --> 02:48:58,260
plenty of will and they have all the

3617
02:49:02,989 --> 02:49:01,319
countless ways to attack a secure

3618
02:49:04,189 --> 02:49:02,999
network even if it's not even connected

3619
02:49:08,599 --> 02:49:04,199
to the Internet

3620
02:49:11,059 --> 02:49:08,609
well and what right the latest

3621
02:49:13,219 --> 02:49:11,069
demonstration proving that no network is

3622
02:49:17,000 --> 02:49:13,229
safe researchers at the Ben Gurion

3623
02:49:20,599 --> 02:49:17,010
University of the Negev used security

3624
02:49:22,760 --> 02:49:20,609
cameras equipped with night-vision to

3625
02:49:24,559 --> 02:49:22,770
send and receive data from a network

3626
02:49:26,479 --> 02:49:24,569
that wasn't even connected to the

3627
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:26,489
Internet firewalls intrusion detection

3628
02:49:31,179 --> 02:49:29,279
and prevention systems all of that and

3629
02:49:33,349 --> 02:49:31,189
not doesn't even come into play

3630
02:49:35,779 --> 02:49:33,359
organizations with internet connected

3631
02:49:38,420 --> 02:49:35,789
networks use a host of security software

3632
02:49:40,909 --> 02:49:38,430
to keep all of those hackers out of a

3633
02:49:43,519 --> 02:49:40,919
network but even for greater security

3634
02:49:47,239 --> 02:49:43,529
firms and government entities set up air

3635
02:49:50,389 --> 02:49:47,249
gap networks that aren't physically

3636
02:49:52,849 --> 02:49:50,399
connected to the web though hackers need

3637
02:49:55,939 --> 02:49:52,859
to be a little more creative in this

3638
02:49:58,411 --> 02:49:55,949
instance these networks are still quite

3639
02:50:01,711 --> 02:49:58,421
vulnerable as a first step

3640
02:50:03,691 --> 02:50:01,721
a hacker needs to embed malware into an

3641
02:50:05,581 --> 02:50:03,701
air-gap Network this could be

3642
02:50:08,191 --> 02:50:05,591
accomplished by using a malicious

3643
02:50:10,741 --> 02:50:08,201
insider or simply selling a USB with

3644
02:50:13,081 --> 02:50:10,751
malware loaded on it you get the USB

3645
02:50:15,871 --> 02:50:13,091
into the system and 2008 for example

3646
02:50:17,881 --> 02:50:15,881
ben-gurion researchers said a United

3647
02:50:19,981 --> 02:50:17,891
States military network was compromised

3648
02:50:23,071 --> 02:50:19,991
after foreign intelligence agencies

3649
02:50:26,761 --> 02:50:23,081
supplied an infected thumb drive to

3650
02:50:29,220 --> 02:50:26,771
retail kiosk near NATO headquarters in

3651
02:50:31,741 --> 02:50:29,230
Kabul Afghanistan I'm not making this up

3652
02:50:34,501 --> 02:50:31,751
once the malware plants itself in the

3653
02:50:36,331 --> 02:50:34,511
air-gap system hackers next step is to

3654
02:50:39,121 --> 02:50:36,341
set up a channel of communication and

3655
02:50:43,561 --> 02:50:39,131
that's where the security cameras come

3656
02:50:46,501 --> 02:50:43,571
in security cameras use infrared LEDs to

3657
02:50:49,051 --> 02:50:46,511
say see at night right of course and the

3658
02:50:51,991 --> 02:50:49,061
researchers used this simple function to

3659
02:50:54,511 --> 02:50:52,001
send and receive data to a wide hat you

3660
02:50:56,571 --> 02:50:54,521
know a good guy hacker standing in a

3661
02:50:59,521 --> 02:50:56,581
parking lot in one demonstration

3662
02:51:01,531 --> 02:50:59,531
computers rely on binary code of ones

3663
02:51:04,231 --> 02:51:01,541
and zeros we all know that so

3664
02:51:08,311 --> 02:51:04,241
researchers used a malware program that

3665
02:51:11,521 --> 02:51:08,321
flashed a security cameras infrared LEDs

3666
02:51:14,101 --> 02:51:11,531
on and off at specified intervals to

3667
02:51:16,321 --> 02:51:14,111
relay binary signals that contained

3668
02:51:19,591 --> 02:51:16,331
information about passwords pin codes

3669
02:51:22,081 --> 02:51:19,601
and encryption keys anything really the

3670
02:51:24,541 --> 02:51:22,091
process also worked in Reverse the

3671
02:51:27,091 --> 02:51:24,551
researchers used infrared light beams

3672
02:51:29,791 --> 02:51:27,101
while standing in a parking lot - flash

3673
02:51:32,371 --> 02:51:29,801
commands into the camera which then

3674
02:51:35,101 --> 02:51:32,381
decoded by the malware embedded in the

3675
02:51:37,861 --> 02:51:35,111
system essentially they established a

3676
02:51:42,661 --> 02:51:37,871
two-way communication channel with the

3677
02:51:44,761 --> 02:51:42,671
network that was off the grid yeah

3678
02:51:47,731 --> 02:51:44,771
they're illuminating findings were

3679
02:51:53,491 --> 02:51:47,741
published earlier this week on the

3680
02:51:55,051 --> 02:51:53,501
server arxiv arrived now this method of

3681
02:51:57,631 --> 02:51:55,061
hacking networks is particularly

3682
02:51:59,611 --> 02:51:57,641
troubling because many organizations

3683
02:52:03,301 --> 02:51:59,621
that store sensitive information about

3684
02:52:06,451 --> 02:52:03,311
customers have public parking lots and

3685
02:52:09,180 --> 02:52:06,461
further infrared light is invisible to

3686
02:52:11,281 --> 02:52:09,190
the naked eye nobody can see it what

3687
02:52:11,820 --> 02:52:11,291
makes it difficult for any passerby or

3688
02:52:13,830 --> 02:52:11,830
secure

3689
02:52:16,680 --> 02:52:13,840
to guard to spot anybody that's trying

3690
02:52:19,290 --> 02:52:16,690
to pull this off exploiting the infrared

3691
02:52:21,900 --> 02:52:19,300
lights on a security camera is just one

3692
02:52:24,990 --> 02:52:21,910
of many ways hackers can breach air gap

3693
02:52:29,270 --> 02:52:25,000
networks their methods are at once you

3694
02:52:32,810 --> 02:52:29,280
know criminal and they're downright

3695
02:52:35,011 --> 02:52:32,820
ingenious hackers have used

3696
02:52:37,200 --> 02:52:35,021
electromagnetic radiation from the

3697
02:52:40,830 --> 02:52:37,210
computer screen and audio signals from a

3698
02:52:44,040 --> 02:52:40,840
spinning hard drive or a fan to generate

3699
02:52:47,580 --> 02:52:44,050
binary messages and transmit data I'm

3700
02:52:49,860 --> 02:52:47,590
not making this up in one attack hackers

3701
02:52:53,730 --> 02:52:49,870
designed malware that sends signals by

3702
02:52:58,620 --> 02:52:53,740
blinking the caps lock light into a

3703
02:53:01,710 --> 02:52:58,630
camera yes it can be used to relay

3704
02:53:09,270 --> 02:53:01,720
information it's absolutely incredible

3705
02:53:11,970 --> 02:53:09,280
I'm not the unplug your computer I just

3706
02:53:13,620 --> 02:53:11,980
sneezed unplug your computer man I hope

3707
02:53:16,740 --> 02:53:13,630
nobody saw that do you see that on the

3708
02:53:19,640 --> 02:53:16,750
camera that will have to be edited out

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oh that was gnarly

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anyway air-gap doesn't mean safe anymore

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it doesn't all right now on to Facebook

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news US federal prosecutors have

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retreated from a high-profile court

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02:53:41,700 --> 02:53:38,050
battle with Facebook which threatened to

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impinge on social medias First Amendment

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rights now I'm quoting here from court

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Doc's the parties to this appeal

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02:53:52,290 --> 02:53:49,360
Facebook Inc and the United States of

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02:53:57,740 --> 02:53:52,300
America jointly moved to dismiss the

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instant appeal as moot on September 13

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02:54:04,230 --> 02:54:00,940
2017 the United States moved to vacate

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the nondisclosure orders the NGOs that

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02:54:08,940 --> 02:54:07,170
are the subject of the instant appeal

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02:54:11,070 --> 02:54:08,950
earlier this year

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02:54:13,020 --> 02:54:11,080
prosecutors submitted warrants to

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Facebook for private information on

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three users while also imposing a gag

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order on the social network from

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informing individuals about the

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02:54:25,110 --> 02:54:22,440
investigation

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Facebook lost the initial court bath

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but was it was later won on appeal the

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public hearing in DC appeals court

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Washington DC that was due to take place

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02:54:40,051 --> 02:54:37,780
this past Thursday was called off after

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federal prosecutors retracted the

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non-disclosure ndo requirement

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government lawyers asked their DC

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appeals court to dismiss the case and

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the motion to vacate was granted by the

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Superior Court on the afternoon of

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September 13th

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Arthur Spitzer legal director of the

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American Civil Liberties Union of the

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District of Columbia said and I'm

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quoting now that Facebook is free to

3747
02:55:07,650 --> 02:55:04,690
notify these three users that their

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02:55:10,410 --> 02:55:07,660
accounts are subject to a search warrant

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02:55:12,060 --> 02:55:10,420
we hope the users will contact us or

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02:55:14,100 --> 02:55:12,070
other lawyers to challenge the

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02:55:15,870 --> 02:55:14,110
government's attempt to conduct a

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fishing expedition through their

3753
02:55:23,750 --> 02:55:19,090
Facebook accounts now the bottom line

3754
02:55:27,570 --> 02:55:23,760
here is this the federal government

3755
02:55:31,350 --> 02:55:27,580
wanted to get information from Facebook

3756
02:55:34,980 --> 02:55:31,360
users just because and they wanted

3757
02:55:37,710 --> 02:55:34,990
Facebook to not tell the users that the

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02:55:41,960 --> 02:55:37,720
government was there to get to their

3759
02:55:45,750 --> 02:55:41,970
personal information Facebook said no

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okay now for whatever reason and this

3761
02:55:51,360 --> 02:55:47,740
negotiation was going on behind the

3762
02:55:54,261 --> 02:55:51,370
scenes this is my take this was getting

3763
02:55:56,640 --> 02:55:54,271
ready to go public in a big way and

3764
02:55:58,801 --> 02:55:56,650
everybody would have been outraged and

3765
02:56:01,470 --> 02:55:58,811
the government would have been attacked

3766
02:56:05,551 --> 02:56:01,480
and they should and and they should be

3767
02:56:08,280 --> 02:56:05,561
but they pulled it back so now if the

3768
02:56:10,320 --> 02:56:08,290
government wants their your personal

3769
02:56:12,870 --> 02:56:10,330
information from Facebook or other

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02:56:15,660 --> 02:56:12,880
social media now that the president has

3771
02:56:19,890 --> 02:56:15,670
been set precedent has been set

3772
02:56:22,200 --> 02:56:19,900
you should be notified from Facebook in

3773
02:56:25,560 --> 02:56:22,210
advance that somebody wants your

3774
02:56:28,380 --> 02:56:25,570
personal information in an investigation

3775
02:56:31,860 --> 02:56:28,390
or otherwise think about that for a

3776
02:56:34,170 --> 02:56:31,870
second it's an absolutely monumental day

3777
02:56:36,091 --> 02:56:34,180
that went down on September 13th the

3778
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thing is and this is what I find very

3779
02:56:41,671 --> 02:56:37,811
strange

3780
02:56:45,001 --> 02:56:41,681
the media did not cover this it was

3781
02:56:47,371 --> 02:56:45,011
under the radar the press release was

3782
02:56:50,791 --> 02:56:47,381
out there and you had to go and find it

3783
02:56:54,600 --> 02:56:50,801
I did and this is fade to black

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I want to thank Phil Proctor fire sign

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theater what a conversation tonight this

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is one you're gonna want to listen to

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02:57:02,100 --> 02:57:01,721
again and that's why you listen to fade

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to black

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executive producers Rita Kumari on fade

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to black is produced by Hill Jay Paul

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02:57:14,180 --> 02:57:12,940
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Thank You Dennis thank you Bob

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02:57:20,251 --> 02:57:16,421
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02:57:36,031 --> 02:57:34,511
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02:57:43,081 --> 02:57:41,530
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GameChanger network our murals Jimmy

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Church follow me on Twitter at JD OH

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02:57:56,310 --> 02:57:51,601
tomorrow night right here Maureen

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saint-germain waking up in 5d until then

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everybody be safe Gobekli Tepe

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